How can men trust women when paternity fraud is 22%?

Question

Several studies all over the western world have shown that women lie about who is the father of their child between 10 and 40% of the time. Average is 22%, so as a man if you have 5 children in all probability one of them isn't actually yours.

With figures like that how can a man trust any woman?

Bsky the study done in Newcastle in the mid seventies came out at 19% and only married women were tested!

Lucky, read the reports yourself then comment

http://www.lbduk.org/paternity_fraud.htm

Vanilla,
In 1999 a survey conducted by a Surrey doctor, who examined his medical notes, it was revealed that up to 40% of the children were not fathered by the wife's husband. Surrey does not suggest a low socio economic group, if anything the opposite. Bored housewife syndrome perhaps?

Wendy G
Sadly no. Most of the studies have only covered married women so what the figure might be for unmarried mothers is anyones guess. CSA stats show that in contested cases where they order blood tests 50% come back as negative.

Certainly the newcastle study was of all children of married couples over a 1 year period and stands academic scrutiny. It dates from 1978. A similar 1999 study over a 6 month period in Australia came up with an 18% figure.

These are not requested dna tests but research. Figures from requested DNA tests would be statsitically irrelevant because they are all from contested cases.

I do have a personal interest with this question. I split from my son's mother over this very issue, not because I doubted he was my son, he is his half sisters spitting image, but because I discovered that she had told two other men they were the father, and I discovered from that that she had not been being faithful. I may ad my son lives with me

Answer 1

I think it is extreme never to trust a woman because she is a woman. However there are some cases you shouldn't.

Never trust a woman who says she is on birth control. She may very well be but the consequences of her lying are too great. Always wrap it up, this will protect you from this from getting her pregnant and STD's as well.

If a woman says you are the father demand a paternity test pronto. If I recall correctly the clock is ticking and if you are too late you are stuck paying child support for 18 years. This is even true if the real father is revealed.

Don't trust a woman who is crying. Many women learn to play men like a fiddle through crying.

Also don't trust a woman says about their ex-boyfriend until you get his side too. Women are particularly vindictive. The saying "Hell hath no fury" didn't come from a fortune cookie.

Going along with that, don't trust a woman you know has something against you. This could be an ex-girlfriend or a woman you just pissed off somehow. A false accusation or something else malicious could be just around the corner if you go along with her.

Answer 2

You undermine the significance of paternity fraud. The male equivalent would be if a man had a baby with his mistress, brought the baby home, and then demanded that the woman help make him raise it--with the FULL support of the law. In addition, if they divorced, there is a 80+% that the man will receive custody and the woman, despite the fact that the child is not hers, would be expected to pay child support for a child that was forced upon her, which of course limits the amount of currency she can then spend on future children that ARE hers. Find a better argument sweetie.

Answer 3

Paternity Fraud Uk

Answer 4

The very first thing you do is use good protection. We all know of course nothings 100%

Trust seems to be disappearing more and more every day. New born baby's don't seem to be decreasing all that much either.

You know trust is a two way street. What makes you think all women trust men. You have to be more careful when it comes to meeting men or women.

If you should be accused of being the father all you need to do is get tested and then you will know the truth one way or the other.

With this trust thing, does that mean you'll never have a relationship with a woman for the rest of your life. You can't even trust that you'll never get hit by lightening.

Would be interesting to know what you would do if it turned out that you were the father. Would you skip the country or would you stay and share in the responsibility of bringing up baby? Or would you leave her with the full responsibility .

There are many single mom's who take on the full responsibility. They may receive child support (if it ever arrives in the mail) but where's the father? He's some where complaining about having to pay child support because he didn't pass the test.

Good luck with your trust vs. no trust.

Trust or not to trust, that is the question

Answer 5

Society really has gone to hell on a hen-basket in the last 40 years. If deceiving their husbands about the paternity of their children is women's idea of feminism nowadays, society as a whole is in deep trouble.

NOTE: For all you women who think that paternity being 78% sound means that a C+ is a good enough grade on that one: How many of you would step on an airplane that had a 78% chance of arriving safely at your destination?

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Answer 7

You don't trust populations; you trust individuals. Most likely the pregnancy-liars lie about other things, too.
You have, by your figures, about a 78% chance of randomly finding a non-liar, and if you've got good people skills and discernment, far better. So if you have 5 children from the same honest woman, it's highly unlikely that one of them is not yours. That is, unless unless you have marital problems and other reasons to suspect she's had a fling with the pool boy or the landscaper.
Edit: Chuckwalla raises a good point about getting an immediate paternity test. In Massachusetts, a guy was hoodwinked into false fatherhood, and after a few years, had a paternity test that was negative, but the @$%**& judge ordered him to keep paying child support anyway! But Massachusetts is one of the judicial armpits of the U.S.

Answer 8

If a paternity test is being carried out, that surely implies that there is an element of doubt as to who fathered the child. How can this then be a true representation of the population as a whole? Hundreds of thousands of babies have not been tested as the parents have no reason to question the parentage of their child.

Out of 100 women who have had babies, if 10 have had a paternity test and 5 of those revealed that the father was not who the mother claimed it was, that means that AT LEAST 5% of those 100 women are lying about the father of their child, but it would be impossible to put a figure on the total percentage as you would need to test all 100 babies to obtain this information.

Answer 9

You can't really trust anyone you don't know very well...reason #4903 for people, men and women, to take responsibility, and not leave contraception in the hands of someone else...especially someone they don't know.

And are you sure that that statistic doesn't mean that 22% of women would lie about who the father of their child is, and not that 22% of children were fathered by someone other than the man named by the mother?

EDIT- No offense, but, to begin with, I don't think that's a very credible source. It is, at the very least, highly un-academic. A "Surrey doctor" looked over his "notes" and realized that up to 40% of children were not fathered by the wife's husband? Not that that is a reliable source by any means, but...would that include men who are stepfathers? The wording is ambiguous, and you cannot rule out that possibility, especially if someone has an agenda and would use statistics to misdirect and obfuscate.
As for "laboratory reports," it stands to reason that married couples do not generally seek paternity DNA tests. Those are generally for women that aren't sure of the paternity of their children. Therefore, the instances of DNA tests showing that the presumed father is not the father, will be pretty high.
In regards to the U.S. survey, I would want to see the actual survey. The exact wording in your article is "Fathers who are not the biological father of the child in their family accounts for up to 20% in a recent U.S. survey." That implies that those could include stepfathers. See how that works? Non academic sources that have an agenda could very easily include statistics that don't actually apply to the statement they're making, and word it so that it appears that they do.

Answer 10

Are that ALL children or did does that mean 22% of tested children turned out to be somone elses ?