Would you agree that in order to qualify as an intelligent being or person, one must be able to think, act, communicate, and have a free will?
If you answer yes and you think that Satan can do all those things, then why JWs believe that the Holy Spirit is a person? The Bible teaches that He has all the attributes of a person.
2007-10-04 16:42:11 · 10 answers · asked by Nina, BaC 7 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Correction: Then why JWs do not believe the that the Holy Spirit is a person!
2007-10-04 16:55:20 · update #1
Cnundrum. I understand that you do not belive that the Holy Spirit is a person. That is why you do not understand the Trinity.Holy Spirit would guide you to the truth but you do not accept it. You rather believe in the Watchtower take on that subject.
2007-10-06 10:01:49 · update #2
Moises_Frias: You are repeating "Are you suggesting that God lies?...". I give you ans answer: NO. God never lies. So if you do not accept the Holy Spirit of God to guide you, you are left to trust in human reasoning.
2007-10-06 10:03:50 · update #3
Heiss: The Bible teaches that The Holy Spirit can be lied to, grived, obeyed and blasphemed....Are you suggesting that we are able to lie to QUALITIES?
2007-10-06 10:06:50 · update #4
Do you mean that the Holy Spirit is not a person? I was told that they believe Him to be a force like electricity.
2007-10-04 16:46:02 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
All the attributes??
the bible says that the h.s is a gift not a person according to Acts 2:38 " and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. " (KJV)
are you suggesting that is a lie that he is not a gift instead a person that you never see him in heaven?
Satan has free will, something that the holy spirit doesn´t have.
You are made of flesh but that doesn´t mean flesh has free will , flesh is the "material"
exactly the same with the Holy spirit it doesn´t have a body or spiritual body that is why you "NEVER" see him in heaven only in the verse that was added in the bible 1 John 5:7.
LUKE 11:20 "But if it is by means of God’s finger I expel the demons, the kingdom of God has really overtaken YOU"
MATTHEW 12:28 " But if it is by means of God’s spirit that I expel the demons, the kingdom of God has really overtaken YOU"
Which one is the right one was the holy spirit or the finger of God? or are the same thing meaning that the holy spirit belongs to God like your finger belongs to you but aren´t you.
2007-10-05 03:21:39 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
The JW's believe that Jesus only rose in spirit. I dont think they would belive that satan was real. they have a different bible. not the original,but a man's ........they believe completly different.
Yes, satan is a living thinking person, the Bible tells us in Ezekiel, he was the most beautiful of the angels, but he let pride stand in his way. he wanted to overturn heaven & he & his angels were kicked out,
we will all be surprised, as when we do see who he is, & who they are that are posing as . & who are being used by demons & the devil. it's probably someone we all know .
i wish i could explain more without being along drawn answer, i hate to read those, & i wont do that to you.
2007-10-06 02:15:35 · answer #3 · answered by AnnaMaria 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Satan is a spirit that can possess people and the Holy Ghost is too but with more power. He got Mary pregnant
2007-10-05 17:32:39 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
The Scriptures clearly teach that the Holy Spirit is NOT a person, but an impersonal thing or quality. Here are two obvious lines of reasoning...
1. People are NOT filled with other people; they are filled with impersonal QUALITIES:
(Luke 1:41) Elizabeth was filled with holy spirit
(Luke 2:40) filled with wisdom
(Luke 4:28) became filled with anger
(Luke 5:26) they became filled with fear
(Luke 6:11) they became filled with madness
(Acts 3:10) they became filled with astonishment
(Acts 5:17) Sadducees, rose and became filled with jealousy
(Acts 19:29) the city became filled with confusion
2. Logical connections
Here the impersonal thing Holy Spirit is connected with the impersonal thing "power":
(Acts 10:38) God anointed him with holy spirit and power
Here the impersonal thing Holy Spirit is connected with the impersonal thing "joy":
(Acts 13:52) the disciples continued to be filled with joy and holy spirit
The Scriptures apply anthroporphic qualities to many impersonal things. Trinitarians are required to believe that the Holy Spirit is a person, but literally *ALL* of their so-called "proofs" that the Holy Spirit is a person fail in the light of the entire bible. Here are lines of reasoning that expose the unscripturality of the arguments which pretend that the Holy Spirit is a person.
Comparing these two Scriptures (which describe the identical event) helps explain that the Holy Spirit can be thought of as "God's finger".
(Luke 11:20) If it is by means of God's finger I expel the demons, the kingdom of God has really overtaken YOU. . .
(Matthew 12:28) If it is by means of God’s spirit that I expel the demons, the kingdom of God has really overtaken YOU.
Can a person's finger be "hurt" (or "grieved")? Obviously.
(Isaiah 63:10) They themselves rebelled and made his holy spirit [or "God's finger"] feel hurt
(Ephesians 4:30) Also, do not be grieving God's holy spirit [or "God's finger"]
The Scriptures often personify impersonal things or qualities:
(Luke 7:35) wisdom is proved righteous by all its children
(Romans 5:14) death ruled as king
(Romans 5:21) sin ruled as king
Referring to the "mind" or governing principles of an inanimate thing does not make it a person; neither does referring to a thing's "heart" or core make it a person:
(Matthew 12:40) the heart of the earth
(Exodus 15:8) the heart of the sea
(2 Samuel 18:14) the heart of the big tree
(Deuteronomy 4:11, footnote) the heart of the heavens
The Scriptures clarify that actual PERSONS spoke ON BEHALF OF the Holy Spirit:
(Acts 4:25) holy spirit said by the mouth of our forefather David...
(Acts 28:25) The holy spirit aptly spoke through Isaiah the prophet
(Matthew 10:20) it is the spirit of your Father that speaks by you
Other nonpersons 'testify' or 'bear witness':
(1 John 5:7,8) there are three witness bearers, the spirit and the water and the blood
Arguments pretending that a person can "fill" another person are based on pagan witchcraft and Babylonish mysticism. The Scriptures consistently show that only nonpersonal qualities can "fill" a person. Jehovah's Witnesses are unlikely to trade their Scriptural true worship for witchcraft and Trinitarian false worship; apostasy such as trinitarianism was foretold in the bible.
(2 Thessalonians 2:1-3) We request of you not to be quickly shaken from your reason... the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed
(2 Peter 2:1) there will also be false teachers among you. These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects
Finally, if trinitarians are true Christians, why do they ignore Christ's command that each Christian must preach?
(2 Timothy 4:3-5) For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, whereas they will be turned aside to false stories. You, though, keep your senses in all things, suffer evil, do the work of an evangelizer, fully accomplish your ministry.
(Matthew 28:19,20) Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded
Learn more:
http://watchtower.org/e/ti/index.htm?article=article_07.htm
http://watchtower.org/e/ti/index.htm?article=article_08.htm
http://watchtower.org/e/ti/
http://watchtower.org/e/20020515/
http://watchtower.org/e/20050422/article_02.htm
2007-10-05 07:46:07 · answer #5 · answered by achtung_heiss 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Nina, stop reading or listening to Nonsense. Holy Spirit a Person??? Thats a new Wrinkle..
2007-10-04 23:54:59 · answer #6 · answered by conundrum 7 · 3⤊ 1⤋
Satan it was Saturn the roman god and they had to make him bad in order the christian sheep to believe the lies !!
2007-10-04 23:47:31 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 4⤋
Huh?
2007-10-04 23:45:16 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
Yes. They believe it because they've been taught that way
2007-10-04 23:53:08 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 2⤋
and also able to reproduce.
2007-10-04 23:45:06 · answer #10 · answered by bobanalyst 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋