Wouldn't it seem more likely that any deity would smile on those nations or polities that specifically incorporated his/her/its worship into the framework of the government?
Yet, the US constitution never mentions the word "god", and specifically prohibits the federal government from establishing a state religion.
Opinions?
2007-10-04 05:55:17 · 24 answers · asked by Samurai Jack 6 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
vivo en un arbol - very presumptuous. I don't say that at all. In fact, in this case it's simply the truth. I await your refutation showing otherwise, in which case I will amend my statement.
Finally, have you any answer to the question?
2007-10-04 06:00:29 · update #1
The UK did not, and does not, have seperation from the British state.
2007-10-04 06:03:27 · update #2
Near of DN - yes it was. However, that isn't really the point of the question.
2007-10-04 06:04:23 · update #3
Suspendor of Disbelief - "creator" doesn't appear in our Constitution.
Sorry.
2007-10-04 06:06:30 · update #4
alleninthehills - no, that's not from the Constitution. That's from the Declaration of Independence.
2007-10-04 06:08:21 · update #5
Interesting answers. They show a variety of misconceptions.
2007-10-04 06:08:54 · update #6
makes sense to me of course I'm an atheist.
2007-10-04 05:58:59 · answer #1 · answered by discombobulated 5 · 5⤊ 1⤋
The US is so successful primarily because it instituted universal education of its citizens early on in its history.
Of course, the idea of universal education came from Masonic ideals, just like the separation of church and state. So, they are kind of related.
Another ideal that helped was public construction of important infrastructure for the good of all.
Also, being a large country with lots of natural resources that is geographically isolated from most countries strong enough to invade it helped too.
The separation of church and state is a wonderful thing. Unfortunately, parts of the government often ignored that provision in the constitution whenever it suited them.
Also, history has repeatedly proven that no matter which deity you make an effort to try and suck up to, your country will still suffer random disasters and economic downturns.
Most modern countries have figured out that a sound governing policy trumps any theology.
2007-10-04 06:09:48 · answer #2 · answered by Azure Z 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
the constitution never mentions the phrase ''seperation of church and state'' either. that phrase was coined in a letter written by thomas jefferson, but that's a different discussion altogether.
seperation of church and state is not a one-way street... that idea is there not only to protect the government from the church, but also to protect the church from the government. and really, if you go by what the constitution DOES say, the latter is much more important than we americans tend to think. as a christian, i want seperation of church and state just as much as you do. remember, Jesus said ''My Kingdom is not of this world.''
2007-10-04 06:13:27 · answer #3 · answered by That Guy Drew 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
that's the biggest fallacy ever.. there truly isn't any separation of church and state.. there could be, yet there is not. look on the effect Romney's faith had... and Obamas racist minister..even Kennedy being Catholic grow to be a great deal. And the pandering to the Jewish foyer... no, we are fooling ourselves if we expect of there's a separation. Now this does not mean each and everyone of those human beings stay good Christian and Jewish lives.. they don't.. our greatest icon to worship is funds with the help of all religions.. funds and ability.
2016-10-21 00:56:02 · answer #4 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I have to question the notion that America has separated church and state effectively.
You have a president saying God told him to invade Iraq - hardly the secular figure the forefathers had in mind - the money says 'in god we trust', the pledge of allegiance is 'one nation under god'. Some states allow creationism to be taught in science class.
The UK never formally stated an intent to separate church and state but they have done so with far more success.
2007-10-04 05:58:56 · answer #5 · answered by Leviathan 6 · 4⤊ 0⤋
No. Why would people following a religion because they were ordered to by the government be more pleasing to God than people freely choosing to observe whatever religion they happened to embrace, or otherwise following the dictates of their consciences as far as what they do believe?
2007-10-04 06:08:34 · answer #6 · answered by pufferoo 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
you should review the history of our culture in America since the Humanistic perception of "separation of church & state" has become the prevailiny philosophy of the Judiciary.
systematically as courts have banned God from schools and other public forums our nations ills have grown expodentiously. how many 10,000 babies are aborted each year? yet dogs have more legal rights than an unborn baby. murder, rape are rampant in the very schools were as the court determined that displaying the 10 commanments would cause a person to read them, contemplate them , and ultimatly venerate them..... lets see, thou shall not murder, steal, covet..........how ironic that the very problems of our culture begin when God was banned and exist in the 10 areas the 10 commanments address.
have you actually done any research for your self on what the founding fathers said on how and why the government was established as it was........ 52 of the 55 founders were active members of their local churches.
in the Declaration of Idependence The founders cite 27 biblical violations of King George and make the outragous claim that
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
George Washington:
in his farwell address reminded Americans " you cant have national morality apart from religous principle"
James Madison (4th President, father of the constitution)
"we have staked our future on ourability to follow the 10 commanments"
Patrick Henry (founding father)
"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
"our country was founded on the Gospel of Jesus Christ"
Thomas Jefferson: (3rd president)
"...no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities."
Noah Webster: (creator of America's first dictionary & founding father)
"education useless without the Bible."
In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed...No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.
there is so much more that secularist dont want and refuse to face. so tell me how "successful" are we as a humanistic nation? where God is banned from public life?
2007-10-04 06:46:42 · answer #7 · answered by lewbiv 3 · 1⤊ 1⤋
All I can say is truly thankful I am that we had such brilliant founding fathers. No doubt this country would have torn itself apart (for religious reasons) into numerous smaller countries by now with nothing but fighting between them...sort of like the Middle East and Africa.
2007-10-04 06:01:48 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
As I -the great constitutional expert (not) understand it --We are not to be governed by a church and the Church is not to be interfered with by the government ---Seems to be working !!!
2007-10-04 08:29:01 · answer #9 · answered by Bemo 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Separation of Church and State is NOT in the Constitution.
2007-10-04 06:01:20 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 6⤊ 2⤋
Because God is all about giving people the freedom to choose. Remember, America was colonized and founded by those who wanted the freedom to worship or not according to the dictates of their own consciences. Apparently God agrees with that form of government, because we have been greatly blessed in the USA.
2007-10-04 05:59:41 · answer #11 · answered by Open Heart Searchery 7 · 2⤊ 4⤋