Should EX Jehovah's Witnesses disfellowship Current Witnesses for Apostasy?

Question

It is my thinking that We have given them enough information about the fact that they are in a false religion and serving a False God.

In following the example set by Tristhata, and her silly list of apostates, should I come up with a similar list of all the Known Jehovah's Witnesses who have been shown Gods REAL light and have refused Gods guidence, because of stubbornness, ignorance or plain taditionalism to change their Apostate ways?

I would put Auchtung-Heiss at the beginning

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AuN2rTZfPjPSOmw2yftvb6Lsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20070930214325AAEXDD5

here is Trishaltha 2001's comment:
"What I actually asked is why are Witnesses answering questions of obvious apostates? Not just disfellowshipped.
You can be disfellowshipped, ( I once was), and not be an apostate. An apostate will not repent and instead spend their time trying to stop honest-hearted ones from learning the truth.
And if we are obedient to Jehovah's arrangement we will not have contact with any that are disfellowshipped either. It is Jehovah's form of discipline, a time out, if you will, to adjust ones way of living and choose whether or not you will uphold Jehovah's standards. But again, an apostate will Not come back or repent.
Everytime we engage an apostates question,or debate with them we show disloyalty to Jehovah and our brothers and sisters. It is designed to decieve and divide us.
Since so many of you can't seem to identify, or don't bother to look closer at the questions, here is a list of suspects to avoid:

1.Used to be PediC
2.Unsilenced Lamb
3.Trolltotroll
4.Curly Sue
5.exJW144000
6.Nea
7.Ole Baby B
8.MsKitty
9.Christian Solder
10.Steinbeck ll
11.Wondering Faith
12.Sinister Minister
13.GregM.
14.DannyH.
15.Nina
They either are openly apostate or openly have supported apostate views. Stop responding to their baited questions.They are united in their plotting to bait us, and we need to be united at ignoring them.
This is just the few I have detected, but by no means can be all, so "Be on the watch" and let us know when you spot another. "Oppose the Devil and he will flee from you."
We don't oppose by falling into the trap of engaging an apostate,we oppose by loyally listening to our Shepherd and seeking out honesthearted ones. Agape' Tirshatha

Now that they have been identified they are likely to quickly change their names, but their objective won't, their tactics may as well, becoming more subtle in the way they put their questions out or being empatheti

Jilly...Interesting that you tell me to go get a life, while doing the exact thing that I am doing this morning...LOL

Answer 1

EX-JW's have left to take the high road,in fact 13,000 leave the Watchtower org every month.650 congregations have closed in Japan alone.

Lets WELCOME all!

http://www.freeminds.org

Answer 2

Pray. Ask God Almighty for His Will for you and the Power to carry it out. The 'too late' comes from the Watchtower indoctrination. The Watchtower has taught the 'end is coming any second' for a long time. They use this to spur distributing magazines and making more distributors. Not only but the sales force pays them. God Almighty Yah wants us to enjoy our life, to rejoice in living and in our work. Joy in the children we have and the family we have. God wants us to live fully and richly. Read Ecclesiastes in the KJV. Certainly not under the yoke and whip of a monster such as the WT. Jesus said He came so that we may have life and have life more abundantly. Understanding? Any Qs can be addressed... A mother. A mother is a special privilege. God gives women the capacity to bring a new life into existence through her body. What an awesome blessing. God has given mothers a way to praise and worship God Almighty by being the one that bears the child and is the one that has the most impact on a child from birth. This is a direction of God's will half of the human beings do not get and a sizable portion of the other half. Learn, mature, and then pass on knowlege of Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit. This will take time and work. It is good to keep a notebook and look back at our growth. And take lotsa pics of the little ones.

Answer 3

The Apostates list is exactly the people with which various people on the net do not want others of their "kind" to read and exchange information.

Interestingly the apologists for the main leaders are often quite blind to information control.

Information Control - second in the BITE cult model.
These are:
1. Behavior Control
2. Information Control
3. Thought Control
4. Emotional Control
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Information Control

Do the JW's under the Guidance of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society use deception about various doctrines and events such as how they deal with child abusers and frequency or the use of blood when teaching a person the dogma?

Is this:
Deliberately holding back information?
or
Distorting information to make it acceptable?
or
Outright lying?

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Do the JW's under the Guidance of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society limit access to non-cult sources of information? Is this minimized or discouraged?

Such as:

Books, articles, newspapers, magazines, TV, radio?
or
Critical information - information that shows errors or a pattern of errors or mistakes? Are these excused and minimized?
or
c. Discourage information from former members that they deem detrimental to adhesiveness or continued existance?
or
d. Keep members so busy they don’t have time to think such as meetings, studies, door-to-door work and other activities centered only on the group.

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Do the JW's under the Guidance of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society use the compartmentalization of information; Outsider vs. Insider doctrines?

Such as:

Information is not freely accessible such as guides for elders, overseers, and headquater reps? What books or guides are released to a select few?
or
Does this Information vary at different levels and missions within the leadership pyramid?
or
Does the Leadership decides who "needs to know" what and questions are staunched and discouraged?

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Do the JW's under the Guidance of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society encourage spying on other members and to report any activities from a list of acceptable actions or conversation?
or
Is there pairing up with "buddy" system to monitor and control people and certify actions? Is there a two or more witness doctrine?
or
Is reporting deviant thoughts, feelings, and actions to leadership

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Do the JW's under the Guidance of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society suggest extensive use of cult generated information and propaganda?

What is the information limited to...?

Are these Newsletters, magazines, journals, audio tapes, videotapes, etc.?
or
Are there misquotations, statements taken out of context from non-cult sources?
or
Are past "sins" used to manipulate and control; no forgiveness or absolution and always judged by prior actions?



This written here and posted here for the first time but is based entirely on:

Answer 4

It seems a simpler process for those wishing to not be bothered with Witnesses should simply do that. Move on. Probably the reason allot of people's questions get answered by persons claiming to be Witnesses, is because the questions are about them.

Example, If I decided I didn't want my questions to be answered by Pregnant ladies, would it make sense to ask lots of questions, at times the same question repeated, about pregnancy??

Just a thought.

Answer 5

I understand your reasoning, and there are one ot two JW's on here that I think are despicable, Achtung Heiss is always offense to me, even sent me offensive e-mails; and JR isn't much better. However, I was once a JW who posted on here and answered questions not from JW's, I like to think I was generally kind but looking back I did display self righteousness and arrogance, an 'I've got the truth and you haven't attitude'. Some kind, true Christians gave me food for thought and now I'm an 'apotate' too, number 4 on the list! I am conscious of the fact that there may be others out there like me, who can be reached, so now I am trying to respond to their questions kindly and spiritually; often to no effect, but hey, I can live in hope. If we don't preach to them and pray for them, who will?

Answer 6

I don't know who is apostate, but I have seen many witnesses lately that are the biggest hypocrites in the world misconducting themselves in anything from racism, blasphemy, slandering, argumentative, lying, haughty and puffed up, mean-spirited and being innappropriately defensive, and the list goes on.

NOT ALL but most. The ones that don't truly take the truthful Bible scriptures to heart and practice them. Others just "want to belong somewhere to some group" and they berade those that see through their violent and prideful nature. Have they forgotten so soon:

HAUGHTINESS is hated by God and pride is an offense against God. Proud ones rely on self rather than God, lacking humility, not appreciating their dependence on their Creator. They proudly feel they possess superior wisdom, and may have natural abilities above the average. But what is the source of true wisdom? Where did they get their natural abilities? Is not man indebted to the Creator for all good things? Is not Jehovah the Giver of all good gifts? What does a man have that he did not receive? Why should a man be proud in himself? The earth he stands on, the food he eats, the air he breathes—were not these things provided by the Creator of the universe? Man depends on these provisions to maintain existence, and his very existence depends on God. With lucid logic Paul inquires: “You may not be puffed up individually in favor of the one against the other. For who makes you to differ from another? Indeed, what do you have that you did not receive? If, now, you did indeed receive it, why do you boast as if you did not receive it?” Haughty pride and aloofness in a spirit of self-sufficiency is an offense against God.(1 Corinthians 4:6, 7)

I feel badly for them and how can they think they are receiving everlasting life with their awful behavior?

Answer 7

Well, for starters, it's the damage caused to people's lives by shunning that is so unscriptural and I don't think any true Christian would ever want to do that. Remember the parable of the prodigal son who was received back into his father's household? The father loved his son so much he was overjoyed to see him and forgave him for his past sinful life. Our heavenly father is like that, too, and the angels rejoice when one sinner repents and turns to Christ. If God, Christ and the Holy Spirit do not give up on us, then it is not our place to give up on those whom we consider to be in a false religion. Surely it is our obligation to reach out to them in Christian love and pray constantly that the Holy Spirit will reveal the truth to them.

Just a word in Achtung Heiss' defence - I have always found him to be articulate, polite and open to reasonable debate. Check out the question I've asked 'Is it true that Jehovah's Witnesses who believe they are not going to heaven but have an earthly hope...?' It's still open. Just because I disagree with his beliefs does not mean that I should consider him to be stubborn or ignorant. It's God's perogative to judge - not ours.

Answer 8

Hi
I don't really know if you are a Jehovah's wittness, or the Ex Jehovah's wittness. If you are the Ex and you are turning to pure Christianity as the King James Bible teaches Christianity. Then here is part of the answer. In the New Testament. I forget which book or which verse (You can research it for urself if u like) God's word says to have to part in a false doctrine, and to have no fellowship, as far as spiritual fellowship with the ones bringing the false doctrine. It says do not even open the door to them. Do not even dispute with them or give them any occasion at all. If any Man brings any doctrine that is not according to the word of God do not accept or entertain them, send them away. Do not even wish them God's Speed. Hope this answers part of your question.

Answer 9

ROTFLMAO

You are a riot.
Go for it but expect to get reported for it by the ones that will be offended.
Whereas Apostate list may be a compliment to you and yours the 'other' side may RAVYAH.

Answer 10

Man...I missed making the list? Guess I have to work harder at this....

gotta love a religious system that tells its people, don't listen to them - they criticize us - oh? still listening - you're OUT...no Heaven for you.

Please...show me some Scripture that says kick them out for listening? I see the letter to Timothy regarding disciplining others, and the list is for immoral activity. By the definition the JW use, then Thomas should have been booted out for asking questions. Oh, I'm sorry...Jesus didn't boot him out? then He's gotta go too...he's hanging out with doubters.

Answer 11

Well, considering that everything the Apostle Paul ever said about apostasy and what constitutes the "spirit of the anti-christ", I would say such a measure is completely justifiable as well as Biblically sound. :D

For all you JWs who thumb me down now, do you even realize that these are the exact same scriptures you use to justify doing the same thing to others. Do you even realize how hypocritical it is, then, to thumb it down?

Troll, that would be "yes" on all counts. Something you need to know about in order to answer your Q about outright lying: Research "Theocratic Warfare" for yourself.