When people claim "without god there is no morality" ??

Question

Which God are the reffering to? and how can they prove that the entire worlds definition of morality comes from the same god? Consider each culture has a different defintion of God and morality?

Answer 1

yep two problems here-cant agree on which god and cant agree on which morality------until that time seems to be a moot point doesnt it----enjoy the night

Answer 2

By in large I don't think morality is that different around the world. We take a branch difference and run with it; meanwhile forgetting that the trunk, base, and roots are basically the same. Different cultures may disagree on how many wives you should have, but none of them believe you should have any and all wives. No culture glorifies cowardice and gives men rewards for running backwards in battle. There are differences, but by in large nothing like total differences, our culture's own perspective is so ingrained in us, that any variant appears to us as a drastic difference, but there really is no opposite morality. If you disagree with the proposition that without God there is no morality, you must explain to me what you do believe, because it is almost as if you were saying that the statement is incorrect and that there really is morality without God, but then you go on to say that there are different moralities. I just would like to know exactly where you stand. Are you infact saying there is no 'real' morality or do you actually believe in morality? if so your comments seem to indicate otherwise. You see the situation? Without God, we are the supreme authority, and because there are many of us, morality becomes relative and thus is not really true, it is just something we pretend has value in order that we may live peacefully. Everyone innately believes in 'real' right and wrong and there is a logic problem when you take a supreme being out of the process, because then that 'real' right and wrong becomes somewhere between an anarchy and a democracy. A ship needs one captain, a team one head coach, if it were not this way confusion and conflict would reign. In a Godless world, there are 7 billion head coaches and morality will just become a word without a meaning. Mankind has not proved himself trustworthy with power and authority, and every so often it is displayed to us that we really have neither anyway, and then we become humble for a little while and then we forget again.

Answer 3

I wonder if it really matters which God.
If one person believes in Allah and another in Jehovah, and they are both moral people, does it matter which God?

Defining morality is like defining beauty or intelligence.
Morality is a human term, that is defined by the humans in the culture or society of the individual.
There is no "absolute" definition of morality (certainly not one that every culture and society would agree with completely).

Answer 4

Oddly enough, (or unfortunately all too common) the supposed harbingers of morality promote exploitation of women and children and men as well because they get these leaders that in the name of god create the most immoral acts imaginable. Check out this site for some contemporary "Christian" insanity:
http://www.xfamily.org

Answer 5

There is morality but there is not the morality in which they are referring to. Christian morality is based upon the teachings of God. Non- Christians may have morals but they are often very different (its ok as long as it doesnt hurt anyone...)

Answer 6

Bingo.

"God" is a general term. It is as meaningless as saying "thing".

Ironically, most folks of a religious bent are fine that you have some "god", regardless of which "god" that is.

They use it in general terms, such as "who made the universe" (which begs the question who made that "god")

They use it is specific terms, such as "god designed the eye" (which since the god in question is obviously more complicated than god, begs the question even stronger as to who designed "god).

Then the capitalize it, as "God", and then it means THEIR god. The unfortunate fact is that theists use "god" and their "God" interchangeably, even though in most attempts at a rational argument they have nothing to do with each other in the context of the specific argument.

That is why, with Christians, I never say god but rather Jesus./Yahweh...or with muslims Allah. To use the loose term of God (Which can mean god/God/Jesus/Allah/Aztec Corn Deity) all one is doing is giving unneeded ambiguity to the other person to twist the term "god" into any meaning they need, regardless of if its relevant to the question.

Answer 7

They're talking from a USian fundie Xian point of view - they're completely unaware that there's a fully functional and operational world outside their borders that has been operating in various societal ways since before the US was even thought of.

Answer 8

solutions in genesis does not mirror mainstream Christianity of their a great deal literal translation of Genesis. The refuse to make certain that the massive Bang can truly clarify how God made the heavens and the earth (Gen a million:a million)

Answer 9

Well there are two times.
1- when you are born it comes with you as an instinct.
in the middle, based on your measurement and mostly other people's ideas, you'll change...
2- when you are going to die, everyone dies right? that's when the same God who interpreted among the Babylonians and made them speak different languages, just because they built a tower and wanted to shoot him!!!
that's when God and his existence will cross your mind again. Probably then you'll say "Where were you all this time?!" And he will reply "I was always right there for you, from the day you were born, even I helped you when you denied me"...

Answer 10

There can be only one God, and one set of objective moral values. If there are many differing sets of moral values, then society is divided, unless one side is willing to compromise their moral values to accomodate the other side. Would you be willing to compromise your moral values? Let's say for example, that in some cultures it's ok for a husband to beat his wife when she is insubordinate. (This is true in Islam. Ask any Imam.) Would you be willing to compromise your western values, and sit idle while your neighbor pounds on his wife, say, in front of your children?
I didn't think so.

Answer 11

The one and only true God Jehovah, Jesus Christ. His law is the moral law. All other moral law commes either directly or indirectly from God's laws. ...

Romans 2:14-15 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:.Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.

Without God there is no law and therefore no morality.