If you don't believe there is a God, then why is there so much order in the universe?

Question

Shouldn't reality be very chaotic without a God? Why would mathematics, writing, scientific laws, brains and other organized systems exist at all in a Godless reality? What would be the point of all this order - to just survive more effectively? Why would anything need to survive?

Heh heh heh... I'm familiar with chaos mathematics, Copernicus, quantum theory, and all the other stuff everyone insisted I haven't familiarized myself with. : )

Answer 1

Oh, no no no. You have asked an offensive question. You will no doubt be reported by someone who can't stand that there is some logic to what you are saying. Everything is a happy accident, didn't you know that?
God is the author of science and if you are a worshiper of science, then you are also a worshiper of God. Thank you for thinking and being brave enough to state the fact.

Answer 2

A better question is, why do you need the notion of a big invisible man to explain each and every thing you listed?

You wouldn't know things were "ordered" unless you could compare it to something that was "disordered". So what you're saying is that the universe is, on average, pretty disordered and that the ordered stuff is the exception. This contradicts your claim that the world is chaotic.

And if a creator is needed for something that has order and complexity, then surely the creator must need a creator too? If you say "No, because God always existed", then why can't we say "order always existed"? You haven't explained anything about the universe when you say "God did it"; you just add one more question.

It's the 21st century. We know that the world doesn't need to be held up by Atlas or a turtle, and we've learned enough about physics to know that no "prime mover" is needed. You might want to read up on some science from the last 300+ years, starting with Newton.

Answer 3

Mathematics, writing, scientific laws all discovered by the brains developed as a result of the Evolutionary Process of Natural Selection. Next Question?

Answer 4

Reality is chaotic, but it is also relatively stable as well.

It is easy to denote the complexities of a vast and abundant universe to be the design of a being or a designer of great proportions. Things such as the number PHI(1.816) and its presence in the universe, or the phenomena of life with complex cognitions all seem to punctuate the presence of a designer. There are scientific theories that do explain these phenomena such as big bang theory and evolution, but in modern times the answer still lies in convention.

Answer 5

You obviously haven't studied any Quantum theory, or Chaos theory have you, things are inherently chaotic, order is an illusion, God is not necessary to explain the universe.

And even if you think that there is order out there, God is not needed to explain it, grow up, you will be telling us all that you believe in the tooth fairy and santa claus next.

Answer 6

Get a piece of graph paper. Divide it into quadrants. The horizontal axis, label from -4 to 4. Label the vertical axis from -4i to 4i.

Pick any point at random. Write down its coordinates, (x, y). Starting at the origin (0, 0i), do the following:

1. Square the current location.
2. Add the chosen point.

Do this either a certain number of times, or until the distance of the current position is greater than 2.5 from the origin.

If it gets past 2.5 away, color it black.

Otherwise, leave it white.

Pick a new random point. Keep doing this until you've done every visible point.


From two very simple rules, you will have generated an infinitely complex mandelbrot set.

Welcome to the universe -- simple rules of physics, massive amounts of complexity.

Answer 7

I don't really know what you mean by order in the universe, it could relate to a lot of things.. The universe is magnificent though, the entire idea that I am alive and sentient is beyond my comprehension..

With that said, I find no evidence that a God created it all. It could be the result of a lot of things, and I do not instantly believe in all of those things because of a lack of evidence. We could imagine we are in something like the Matrix, or I could believe this is all my dream, or any number of things.. The lack of evidence compels me to remain open minded to it, but does not prompt belief. Do you understand a little better now?

Answer 8

Why would order need a god? Thermodynamics states that systems will tend towards stability not chaos - this is a very general interpetatoin, it is more explicit for closed and open systems.

Basically, there is no reason to assume that chaos or order would accure without or with a god.

Answer 9

That is a false perception. The universe is not orderly. The earth has been struck millions of times by meteors, and millions of species have gone extinct. Naturals disasters happen on a regular basis all over the world.
Stars blow up and destroy entire galaxies. There is random debris all over the place. The universe is not orderly!!

Answer 10

Morality, ethics, everything can survive without a god, even religion, for that matter. Morality, order, ethics and everything does not mean God exists.

Apparently, you weren't listening to your science teacher. Evolution, adaptation and such occurs in order for the organism to survive. It would die without the advancements. The point of life is for it to survive as long as possible, until it cannot sustain itself any longer, which is why our average lifespan has increased to 60-80 yrs old. We want to survive, continuing to produce offspring to carry on our survival.