Catholics: Why do you say that it was the Catholic Church who “wrote” the Bible?

Question

Clearly, the Bible declares that men wrote the Bible as lead and inspired by the Holy Spirit!

This is why the Bible itself refers itself as “the word of God” and the “holy scriptures”.

Furthermore, which of the following were written by “Catholics”???
Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel, 1 Kings, 2 Kings, 1 Chronicles, 2 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Job, Psalm, Proverbs, Ecclesiates, Song of Solom, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zechariah???

NONE! ALL were written by JEWS before Jesus Christ established the “church”.

OK – how about the New Testament?
Matthew – a JEW who believe Jesus was the Jewish Messiah
Mark – a JEW who believe Jesus was the Jewish Messiah
John – a JEW who believe Jesus was the Jewish Messiah
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Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, and Hebrews:

ALL written by Paul, a JEW that believed Jesus was the Messiah of the Jewish faith!

If ANYBODY can claim to have written the Bible, it’s the JEWS!

Furthermore, you claim PETER as the head of the church – from which ALL authority flows. YET, PAUL did NOT get “authority” from Peter.

Jesus Christ Himself appeared to Paul…and immediately, Paul began to proclaim the Gospel to the ends of the earth. Paul did NOT seek the approval of Peter, and even REBUKED Peter!

“But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.” Galatians 2:11

PETER Himself would stand in judgment of you Catholics, were he still of this world!
Just as Jesus stated that Moses accuses the Jews (John 5:45)!

You ought to read this: http://www.carm.org/catholic/church_scripture.htm

Answer 1

TRUE, & HOW COULD PETER HAVE BEEN THE FIRST
POPE SINCE HE WAS SENT TO THE "CIRCUMCISION" & PAUL WAS SENT TO THE GENTILES?

GAL 2:7-8, "...WHEN THEY SAW THAT THE GOSPEL OF
THE UNCIRCUMCISION WAS COMMITTED UNTO ME,
AS THE GOSPEL OF THE CIRCUMCISION WAS UNTO
PETER; (FOR HE THAT WROUGHT EFFECTUALLY IN
PETER TO THE APOSTLESHIP OF THE CIRCUMCISION,
THE SAME WROUGHT MIGHTY IN ME TOWARD THE
GENTILES;)"

Answer 2

They didn't write the entire bible. The Old Testament is actually the Hebrew Septuagint (from what I understand, this is not the modern day Jewish 'bible'). Many of the books that are in the original OT from the bible are actually quoted and referred to throughout the NT (some of these books were removed by Protestants, but that's another story-- er, argument). As for the New Testament, yes, you could say that "Catholics" were the authors of the New Testament, because the Catholic Church is the original and first Christian Church (which all the apostles were part of in the beginning when Jesus established it-- and since they were essentially Catholic and wrote the books/letters included in the bible then you could say that technically Catholics wrote it). They were the ones responsible for carrying on the sacred Tradition established by Christ and passing on the good news to future generations. Eventually, because of differences in canon and disputes between the churches, the Church decided that they should put together an official Canon. That canon became the bible. The bible wasn't published to be the authority on the Word of God. It was published to be more of a 'guidebook' in teaching and demonstrating the Word of God (to show that Jesus was the Messiah). It was supposed to get everyone on the same page so there wasn't any more problems....obviously that didn't work out quite how they intended now did it? The Church holds on to many other sacred writings that were not included in the Bible, but those writings reference many of the writings of the Apostles that are in the Bible. These writings are from some of the greatest teachers the Church ever had, and they even maintain online libraries so you can go read and see just how the early Church Fathers interpreted scripture and exactly what they believed. My advice to you is to look up and read about the history of the Bible; it's a real eye-opener.

Answer 3

The Catholic Church does not claim to have written the Old Testament.

The Holy Spirit-inspired Christian Jews who wrote New Testament belonged to the same Church that began to call itself the Catholic Church about 10 years after the last book of the New Testament was written.

In about 107 C.E., the Greek term "Katholikos" (meaning universal) appears in the Letter of St. Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnaeans:

"Wherever the bishop appear, there let the multitude be; even as wherever Christ Jesus is, there is the Catholic Church."

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/ignatius-smyrnaeans-hoole.html

We do not know how long they had been using the term "Catholic" before the adjective was included in this letter.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07644a.htm

With love in Christ.

Answer 4

The gospels matthew mark luke and john were NOT written by anyone from the time of jesus's lifetime. They were written anywhere from 50 years to 300 years afterwards. By whom?

The first Church had been well established by then and there were NO Jews left in it because of the idolatrous doctrines that were adopted from the pagans into the Church as it went around recruiting new followers.

It is also very easy to tell that much of the rest of the "new" testament was not written by Jews either because there is so much incorrect information there that would have been just basic stuff to Jews, such as the incorrect way the Pharisees are portrayed as corrupted when it was actually the Saducees, the "tables being overturned" incident which was portrayed as being corrupted business when it never was, and the pure antisemetic slander in there such as "your father is of the devil" types of remarks, let alone a lot of historical inaccuracies about the Temple, the religious practices of the time, Jews, and Judaism itself.

Also, much of gospels are based on an earlier document called "Q". Also not written by any Jew. http://www.mindspring.com/~scarlson/synopt/2sh/index.htm

Answer 5

Catholics are Jews who believe that Jesus is the Messiah. Pope John Paul II called the Jewish people our older siblings in faith.

I know of no Catholic who says that the Catholic Church wrote the Bible. However, it was the Catholic Church in the fourth century that determined the canonical list of books in the Bible. This is historic fact.

Answer 6

My, someone's cranky. The only organization to edit/compile/authorize scripture was The Church, prior to the dissolution of the empire, and the The Church was headed by the pope. Other christian sects start evolving into their own as early as the 5th/6th century, with the eastern patriach in Antioch/Istanbul. But by that time, the bible (including the passages you just cited) had coalesced. I have teased my protestant friends that catholics don't read the bible, but they did write it. But they have a sense of humor. Just continue to believe that nothing happened at all in the 14 centuries between the death of John the Evangelist & the birth of Martin Luther.

Answer 7

The Roman Catholic CHurch composed the Bible canon around 382 a.d. with 73 books.

Answer 8

Pastor Billy says: the bible was given the Church meaning believers in the one true God existed before the bible existed meaning to be a believer one did not require bible knowledge or be a "bible alone" or "bible believing" church.

Now with regards to the bible be written by Catholics, it simply was. Catholicism professes that the authors of the NT were Catholic practising Christians, they were already members of the Church prior to writing (with God's inspiration) the gospels and epistles of the NT. As the Christian bible is composed of both OT and NT the Catholic Church is also responsible for compiling the Christian canon of scripture no other community can make such a claim and there was no closed canon of scripture during the time of Jesus and the apostles, their purpose and ministry was not given this duty that fell to the Catholic Church later in Christian history. Therefore the Christian bible is in fact a Catholic book.

When you claim the entire bible was written by Jews you do so ignoring they are ethnically in common not religiously or spiritually in fellowship. The first Jewish converts to Christianity, to Catholicism are just that converts they are no longer in full communion with Judaism. Have you not read the discourse of St. Paul who teaches against the Judaizer heresies of the 1st century?

now my question to you wish guy:

This isn't one of those rhetorical questions where I'm actually concealing a desire to disprove sola scriptura and convert you to Catholicism, it's just that I have never been able to get a good answer to this question from those who identify as "sola" Christians.

That question is this: how do you know the Bible is what you believe it is? How do you know that it consists of the books it consists of and that those and only those books collectively are the inerrant Word?

In Catholic theology, we have the authority of the Church to identify Sacred Scripture and attest to its inerrancy. From Luther on, I don't understand how Scripture attests to its own identity, nor do I see on what grounds certain books were removed from the canon of Scripture by Luther.

addendum: in your additional details you have misrepresented the conversion of Paul and the authority of Peter. Before Paul did anything he had to enter into Damascus and was met by the Church authority, Ananus. Only after submission to the Church leadership did the scales fall from Paul's eyes allowing him to gain both spiritual and physical sight. Paul did not have a complete conversion experience until after submitting to the Church leadership in obedience. Paul also submitted himself later to Peter and James in Jerusalem. The Lord did not remove Peter as apostle after sinning against him 3 times why do you believe he lost his authority and head apostle? Jesus told the people that the scribes and priests of temple although imperfect knew the truth and therefore Christ said "do as they say, not as they do for they know the truth"

You have become confused as to how infallable instruction works under God's authority, you've been made to believe one has to be perfectly impeccible however this is not the case if it were everyone today who falsely believes they are their own infallable interpreter of the Word would have to be completely impeccible and without sin.

Answer 9

that's what I keep trying to tell them, but it's like talking to a wall, everything they say and do is tradition, I don't even think they know what's going down. I mean I try my hardest to make lee way with these guy's and all they can do is give me tradition, poor people if they would only read their bible they would understand, the LORD is not MOCKED, For my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge---makes a whole lot of sense! so all I got's to say is keep putting your trust in the POPE let's see if he really gives a DAMN, when it all comes down at the "WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT"!

Answer 10

first, that statement can only be applied to the new testament and it has some element of truth.

That is the early church voted on which texts to include in the new testament, selecting some and rejecting other....even so far as which version of each text to add to the canon. In some cases it appears that the texts were edited from their original form to remove certain inconsistencies.

Therefore, while 'compiled' or 'redacted' would be more accurate terms, 'wrote' can be applied as it is certainly the church-view that prevailed in the compilation.

Answer 11

i think the point that is trying to be made, is that there were a variety a gospels and epistles that were in circulation that the early church were using - it took a Council of the Church - (CATHOLIC by the way) to establish the accepted canon of the Bible. if we believe that the Bible is inspired, it was inspired CATHOLICS who decided what books would be apart of the Bible.