Judaics and Catholics, what is your evidence that God cannot make himself understood without your traditions?

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Quailman

1. There are also many Catholic denominations.

2. "Protestant" cuz u said so? Protestant is reference to "protesting against Catholicism". And your point by referring to protestants is?

3. Catholicism is a denomination as well. See how blind you are? You point to many types of Chrsitianity of ONE TYPE yet hold yours above them all as if it isn't even a Christian religion lol.

4. What is your evidence that merely because there are many types of Christianity that God can't make his word understood to ANYONE including Catholics, which regardless of your intention, that is where your logic leads too. See, here is your warped logic:

Because there are many religions, God can't make his word understood, therefore he can't make himself understood at all. And that is an evidenceless and illogical statement. You might as well also say: Because not everyone agrees on the truth, there is no truth.

You should have read my book first which addressed that false argument near the beginning. When will you get tired of taking pot shots and hoping to get a hit when you keep missing?

If you had said, "...there we need Catholc tradition" it would also be without evidence. You might as well end that with, cuz I said so.

God doesn't need you to explain his word Quailman, accept that mere man.

Furthermore, who is it that gives you the ability to understand his word, the explainer, the explaination itself? Did you bother to consider that?

Confirmed atheist, why should I pay attention to you when you are an insulting trolling ranting opinion-basher? Get a clue okay. Can you guess why I didn't bother to read one word of what you said, hypocritical opinion-basher? Can you guess why I'm blocking you?

Nadine, learn to use an encyclopedia and dictionary, and stop breaking Yahoo's rules. Post your question and stop cheating and cluttering, okay? Stop being lazy and expecting the Christian to do all the work for you. If you seriously cared about the truth, and were not a hypocrite, you would actively seek out the answers in places where the answer is already given. Was that a peaceful enough reply for you?

jules_fare: "God doesnt care if hes understood, God is a mystery and always will be...I cant say where but I know it says that in the bible."

That's a contradiction. If he can't be understood then you would not be able to understand the Bible. Furthermore, "cuz u said so" is not evidence of the truth, you aren't God.

Next time read my book 100+ Arguments Against Christianity.

James, the Traditions are of God, cuz u said so, is not a self-justifying truth. Come up with evidence. Furthermore, using your logic, I can make whatever you say whatever I want it to. Furthermore, whoever made the Sacred Traditions can make God say whatever they want him to according to your logic as well. You know that that is false. When God speaks, he speaks the truth, not whatever you want him to. You do not have control over his Spirit. He is not your toy, and does not obey your emotions, and he gives wisdom to whom he wills, not who you or the Pope wills.

Answer 1

Catholicism 101


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Answer 2

We Jews believe that all the righteous of the nations have a share in the world-to-come. Judaism excludes no one and does not include the Christian concept of eternal torment for non-believers.

The following is an excerpt from "Judaism for Everyone" by Rabbi Shmuley Boteach:
Judaism is unique among the world’s religions in that it claims no copyright on, or exclusivity to, truth. It does not denounce other faiths as misguided or heretical. It is adamant that there are many paths to the one God. Judaism is a path, not the path. There is no one way. There is no one great truth, but rather a series of truths possessed by each nation that, when brought together, creates the truth. And this is what makes every nation indispensable. Jews, Christians, and Muslims could learn much from one another if they would only just stop and listen. As long as any religion leads to humility and worship of the one God, to passionate religious rituals and compassion and loving-kindness, then it has created a legitimate path to the source of the universe.
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Answer 3

My guess (even though I am neither) would be that for Jews that is not applicable, but for Catholics, it's the same reason you believe that no one gets to heaven except through your savior... it's part of the belief system.

The reason it's not applicable to Judaism is that they believe their god gave the world all manner of things (stars, the sun, the moon, nature, etc.) to worship, only the Jews are required to live by the laws their god gave to Moses. Everyone else only needed to abide by the seven universal laws in order to assure a place in the world to come (which may be simply the future, or the after-life, depending on which sect you follow). Judaism is about living a good life today, not getting into Heaven when you die. That's why they say it's a religion of life, not a religion of death.

Edit: I'm sorry, was something that I wrote offending to you? Is there something in there that isn't factually correct? You seem upset, do you need a hug?

p.s. I looked at your profile, the difference between us is that what I say can be proved to be true, and what you say can not. I know that doesn't matter to you, you seem like a happily blissful person. Have a great day!

Answer 4

The idea that all revealed truth is to be found in "66 books" is not only not in Scripture, it is contradicted by Scripture (1 Corinthians 11:2, 2 Thessalonians 2:15, 2 Thessalonians 3:6, 1 Timothy 3:15, 2 Peter 1:20-21, 2 Peter 3:16). It is a concept unheard of in the Old Testament, where the authority of those who sat on the Chair of Moses (Matthew 23:2-3) existed. In addition to this, for 400 years, there was no defined canon of "Sacred Scripture" aside from the Old Testament; there was no "New Testament"; there was only Tradition and non-canonical books and letters.


And given the level of bickering back and forth about what Scripture means, do you believe that God expects each of us to be a scholar of Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, and Chaldean to understand His word and the message of salvation? No! This is why He, in His wisdom, started a Church with teaching authority through Peter, the earthly father of the New Covenant and whose successors sit on the Chair of Peter, just as Abraham was the earthly father of the Old Covenant and his successors sat on the Chair of Moses.



Our Lord founded a Church (Matthew 16:18-19), not a book, which was to be the pillar and ground of Truth (1 Timothy 3:15). We can know what this Church teaches by looking not only at Sacred Scripture, but into History and by reading what the earliest Christians have written, what those who've sat on the Chair of Peter have spoken consistently with Scripture and Tradition, and what they've solemnly defined. To believe that the Bible is our only source of Christian Truth is unbiblical and illogical.

Answer 5

God can do anything He (or She) wants. The Bible teaches us that there is more than just the Bible.

We instruct you, brothers, in the name of (our) Lord Jesus Christ,to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they received from us. (2 Thessalonians 3:6)

I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now. But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to you the things that are coming. (John 16:12-13)

The Catholic Church does not use Holy Scripture as the only basis of doctrine. It could not. The early Catholic church existed before and during the time that the New Testament was written (by Catholics).

There were hundreds of Christian writings during the first and second centuries. Which New Testament writings would become official was not fully decided until about 400 C.E.

Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit was guiding the early church (and is guiding the church today) to make the correct choices about things like:
+ The Holy Trinity (which is also only hinted at in the Bible)
+ Going to church on Sunday instead of Saturday (which is actually directly against one of the Ten Commandments)
+ The Communion of Saints
+ Which writings include in the New Testament?

Things that are even more modern like
+ Slavery is bad. Slavery is never declared evil in the Bible. This was one of the justifications for slavery in the Confederate States.
+ Democracy is good. The Bible states that either God should be the leader of the nation like Israel before the kings or kings should be the leader, "Give to Caesar that which is Caesar's." This was talked about a lot during the American Revolution.

This second source of doctrine is called Apostolic Tradition.

Do Christians who do not allow the continuing guiding force of the Holy Spirit to make their beliefs more and more perfect, still endorse slavery as Colossians 3:22 commands, "Slaves, obey your human masters in everything"?

Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours. (2 Thessalonians 2:15)

I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold fast to the traditions, just as I handed them on to you. (1 Corinthians 11:2)

For more information, see the Catechism of the Catholic Church, sections 80 and following: http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect1chpt2.htm#80

With love in Christ.

Answer 6

God is omnipotent but we are not and God has given the Mosaic (Hebrew) tradition and then the Apostolic(Catholic) Tradition out of which the Bible came and only in which does the Bible make real religious and spiritual sense since anyone can make and have made the bible say anything he wants.
The tradition is the Tradition of God not the false traditions of men

Answer 7

God doesnt care if hes understood, God is a mystery and always will be...I cant say where but I know it says that in the bible.

We dont have traditions to understand God, we have them to honor God and his mystery...to be close to God

I know its pretty crazy to figure out who believes what but CATHOLICS beliefs were based on the teachings of Jesus, following his example of not judging, helping the less fortunate, caring for the sick, feeding the hungry, treat all peoples as equals...I know a lot of Catholics dont do that but thats what its supposed to be about. The Jews and Catholics have pretty much the same old testament, Jews just didnt think Jesus was the Messiah...

Answer 8

What are "Judaics"? Why don't you just say "Jews" or "Jewish people"? Why should I show you evidence when I haven't made the claim? Jews do not claim that God cannot make himself understood without our traditions. That's what YOU are saying. Not a good idea to speak for others unless you know what you are talking about....and obviously you don't.

Answer 9

Where the Bishop is, there let the multitude of believers be;
even as where Jesus is, there is the Catholic Church'' Ignatius of Antioch, 1st c. A.D

Answer 10

sorry I wont do your leg work! I also have never made this statement.....where did you hear this.