If a breeder sells a puppy to someone and does not limit registration or breeding rights...?

Question

... and does not have any input on if the new owner wants to breed that puppy some day...

Would you consider this to be a reputable breeder?

Beyond the "yes and no" answer options, please explain why.

CF-- That's a common myth. Reputable breeders are not worried about competition, but rather more concerned that the litters they do produce will not become part of the overpopulation problem that already exists. By putting limitations on pups that are not quality for breeding, they are doing just that. I have seen plenty of reputable breeders doing a co-ownership for their pups with a novice. They're willing to teach and guide the right kind of owner, but won't allow that backyard breeder to have a go at recklessly breeding and do everything possible to prevent this.

I don't understand why some people feel this is a bad thing, unless they got turned down by a rep. breeder, maybe because they were not willing to go to the level required by that breeder.

kris10nchains-- Takinga pup at 6 weeks is a bad idea. A puppy learns many things in these additional 2 weeks in the form of manners from mom, etc. No pup should ever be taken before 8 weeks.

You kind of have a double standard here going because you say you would never buy from a "pet only" breeder, yet you are not willing to make an investment into a well bred dog if you aren't allowed to choose it's fate of being altered? So you won't buy from a pet breeder and you don't want a reputable breeder dictating? Where exactly will your pups come from? The shelter dictates too.

The way I see it, those of us who don't breed, but support the rep. breeder, feel they are taking the proper steps to prevent from adding to the shelter issues. It's more important to me that they do this, than if they require altering, which is really best. The breeder dictates breeding rights to PREVENT backyard breeding, why is that bad? They are the ones who actually CARE about their pups.

Looks like "a mom" is a backyard puppymiller there... nothing reputable in that one.

Answer 1

IMO a reputable breeder would absolutely prohibit the breeding of his or her stock. (EDIT should have clarified this - out of their control).

Their kennel name would and could be seriously diluted and compromised. That's just the business side of the argument.

The ethical side is that a reputable breeder does as little as possible to impact the pet population. Having their "grand pups" out there uncontrolled wouldn't do that.

Not only is this person not reputable, in my mind, he or she isn't very ethical.

My Lab from a breeder came with limited registration and a spay contract. Our breeder required us to mail the paperwork from the vet when Kelsey was spayed.

EDIT:
Kelsey was a pet quality dog from this breeder. She wasn't show. I knew when I purchased her what I was getting. In fact, this is exactly what I was looking for. I wanted a quality dog, with health screening and guarantees. I still paid 800 for her over 5 years ago. I'd do it again.

Now, out of this same litter, she sold 2 pups to someone she was mentoring - MUCH more expensive, without restrictions. That line is still going. I don't have a problem with that. Connie (our breeder) only mentors someone every couple of years. It would be someone like me who purchased from her and was interested in showing, learning and maybe breeding YEARS down the road.

Kelsey is a gorgeous dog. In my eyes, she's perfect. But she's an inch too short and her tail isn't thick enough. She shouldn't be bred. Connie was right...
And I got exactly what "I" the customer wanted. A wonderful - healthy, pet.

Edit 2 - The funny thing is - I'm a volunteer and a former board member from a Lab rescue. I still purchased a dog from a breeder. I also have 3 rescues. I WANT quality labs out there. More than anything. And I want labs to stop dying in shelters even more than that.

Answer 2

I think that the question has been answered pretty good.

I just don't understand some peoples mentality. They don't want to pay $500 for a pup that the breeder dictates whether it must be sterilized or not? That makes NO SENSE. You are buying a PET QUALITY dog therefore your intentions would be to make it a pet and get it spay/neutered anyway so whats the big deal? This will prevent accidental litters or even a possible frustrated dog if you have a male/female. Even reduce some risk of certain reproductive related health problems.

Since your getting a pet quality pup in the 1st place with no intention of breeding it makes perfect since for the limited registration. I'm so confused by the other poster.

It has nothing to do with greed? Its not that they don't want competition, its because a pet quality dog shouldn't procreate. Also they don't want their line gone to crap or the breed for that matter.

I denied to even sell a lady a pup that was 2,000 miles from me. I highly doubt if I had sold a pup to this wannabe byb she'd be competition for me. She'd probably breed a litter and advertise in her newspaper. Also since I wouldn't even sell her the male (and she probably found another one) the type of people she would sell to I would never a pup to so we are not competing.

Also good breeders don't breed to sell pups/make money. As well most people looking for a breeder are either looking at reputable breeders or are careless and check out bybs like thos breeding CKC pet quality dogs. So they are not each others competition. Other rep breeders are the competition of a reputable breeder and other byb are the competition of bybs.

Answer 3

Well, I know what everyone is saying about a reputable breeder NOT wanting to contribute to the pet overpopulation problem...

BUT

My dog's breeder is what I consider reputable. They show their dogs in conformation and hunting (labrador), have all health clearances, have a guarantee, have an extensive puppy questionairre (that they actually do follow-up on), and will always take any pup back for any reason for its entire life. Basically everything I can think of to be a reputable breeder, they do.

My dog's parents are both conformation champions, and her father is the 41st champion master hunter in the labrador breed. The breeder is a vet and she has always been there to answer questions when I call.

And my dog was sold with full registration.

Maybe it's because they considered her "show quality." Though I think she has some minor faults that would make it difficult for her to win. I didn't intend to, and have not shown her in conformation. Can't now anyway because she is spayed.

Anyway, I don't think that a breeder who sells dogs with full registration is necessarily irresponsible. You have to look at the full picture.

Answer 4

No I do not believe that it is a reputable breeder at all! A breeder is required by the AKC to fill in the information about the new owner, sign and date the back of the papers, and fill in what color and pattern the pup is. It is the breeder's responsiblity to darken in the limited box as well on the papers. I do not want my bloodlines bred to any plain old German Shepherd down the road. If people want to lie and tell me that they just want it for a pet, then that is what they get period! Limited AKC registration. We are very careful to make sure what breedings we do and when, and I would never, ever want a pup out there being bred to god knows what. If they do not want to come and get a pup from me, then it is not my loss at all.

Answer 5

Quite a few kennels do that, not sure if its legal or not. Dammed annoying if you do decide to breed. However if you approached the breeder I'm sure most would let you go ahead if both dogs involved were doing ok in the show ring.However this is not always for the whole litter, one or two only could have this imposed on them for medical reasons IE deafness or hip problems. The ban is to protect the breed and try to keep out weakness or bad faults. Hope this helps.

Answer 6

No.

A reputable breeder is concerned about every dog she produces and feels responsible for them. This translates into making sure that the dog is not being bred when it is too young , or bred too often, or if it doesn't have all its health clearances

A reputable breeder also cares about the reputation of its kennel and would not want one of her dogs to wind up in a puppy mill or byb situation making designer mixes every heat.

The only way to ensure that the pup is not turned into a breeding machine is to sell on a limited reg. and require sterlization as part of the sale contract WITH a written penalty should the dog not be altered including the right of the breeder to take the dog back.

If a puppy is sold on full registration because the new owner is going to show/compete with the pup then the breeder can write in a clause that limits how the pup could be used for breeding including approval of the original breeder. The pup can also be co-owned.

I have full reg on my pup who will be shown and compete in a variety of events. I do NOT intend to breed him. However, if I did then according to the original contract he would need to be titled in conformation and another event, have passed a number of health tests and his potential mate would need to be titled, have passed her health tests and meet the approvale of my dog's original breeder.

In other words, if I want to breed my intact purebred dog I have to jump through a LOT of hoops. His breeder is very picky about who gets her pups and I think I am the rare expection who was allowed to have an intact dog without co-ownership.

Answer 7

No...I wouldn't consider that breeder a reputable one. Reputable breeders care that their lines are not misused by uneducated people who want to breed for profit. They also worry that if sold without limited registration or spay/neuter contracts that some of their puppies would end up in puppy mills. Reputable breeders work very hard to produce quality puppies....if one of those puppies got in the hands of someone who wanted to profit, it could be disastrous. Even if the buyer would only want to breed once to keep a puppy...there is no control that the other puppies of the litter would go to good homes that would not breed.

Answer 8

Nope, any reputable breeder would not allow full registration unless the dog was suitable for showing/breeding. All pet quality should be sold on limited. If the pup turns out to be nicer than expected the breeder can always lift the limited.

What the new owner wants from a pup should be one of the first questions ask by the breeder.

Breeders who sell all pups as full registration are not breeding dogs they are breeding paperwork and encouraging others to do the same without regard to the dogs quality.

Answer 9

if after 18 yrs in the breed, nearly every weekend at dog sport events ect. -- MOST reputable breeders who produce the kind of dog I want know me and dang it I would expect them to let me decide if the pup worked out as breeding quality and not tie it gonads in a knot ..... NOW I can understand not to letting a pup go without a nonbreeding contract to a pet or novice home but in a few cases that can be safely done without me considering them breeder not reputable. These things are not one size fits all....

Answer 10

This is tough. The breeder wouldn't choose a buyer who was interested in backyard breeding, ideally, but mistakes happen.
A good breeder will look out for his/her puppies. If they don't limit breeding rights, I'd expect the breeder to try to talk the buyer out of extensive backyard breeding and to guide the person in the right direction. The breeder isn't responsible for EVERYTHING the buyer does, but certainly can influence the person.