Let he who is without sin cast the first stone?

Question

Why do christians quote this so often when it was not part of the original gospel of John or any part of the bible for that matter? Wouldn't putting words in jesus mouth be some form of serious sin?

http://www.innvista.com/culture/religion/bible/compare/story.htm
http://www.tektonics.org/af/adulterypericope.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_woman_taken_in_adultery
http://www.bible-researcher.com/adult.html
http://www.allaboutworldview.org/pericope-adulterae-faq.htm
http://www.teach12.com/ttcx/coursedesclong2.aspx?cid=6593&pc=Professor

Paulo as you may have noticed I have done my homework, even tktonic ministries admits it is not in any of the most reliable manuscripts.

So Martin just because it sounds like something jesus would have said that is good enough, even though he did not say it?

Man some of you are stupid, I know it is in most bibles now, my point is in the original bibles it is not there. It is not in P62 or P75 it is also not in Vaticanus or Sinaiticus

J B1234-did you actually read the question? I know where is it now.

jenx, I don't think you read the links, all but one are christian links, I did not provide any secular links as I knew they would be dismissed for being secular. So you think christian scholars are out to get jesus?

purpleau... -are you blind? Do you not see the 6 sources listed?

Answer 1

If it's in the KJV, that's all they care about. Apparently, King James was God.


...read PAULO's answer above if you want to see the level of critical analysis typical of believers

Dear Ra, look how many Christians didn't even comprehend the question. They must not realize that we don't have the original texts, and that what we do have has documentable redactions and interpolations.

Answer 2

You know what's funny to me? It would have been a sin to throw a stone, because they would be breaking the law. If there was one without sin, he would have become a law breaker by throwing a stone. The law required both the man and woman caught in adultery to be stoned Leviticus 20:10. There also had to be witnesses. Deuteronomy 17:6. On top of all that, the witness had to throw the first stone in Deuteronomy 17:7. Since both adulterer's were not present, it's a given that the witnesses were already breaking the law and could not throw a stone. It's just a guess, but perhaps what Jesus was writing in the dirt is the applicable laws? Where was the man? Why didn't the witnesses identify the man? This woman was totally and unlawfully set up in an attempt to trap Jesus. So...back to your question. Jesus knew that all of these men had sin in their lives. All sin leads to death. We are in no position to look down on others. Jesus came to forgive us of our sins. James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Answer 3

I looked at some of your reference links. But all I saw were mans (non being inspired by God) interpretation of what they think has or has not been left out or put into the Bible. In your first reference the man states that " although wording varies in the various versions examined here, I have found that the context doesn't. How does that prove that that verse was never part of the original gospel' or any part of the Bible. We are not putting words into Jesuses mouth, those so called scholars are taking words out. There interpretation is no more then an opinion based on other peoples words or writings. The Bible has stood the test of time and history.

Answer 4

Christians quote a lot of verses incorrectly, and they say a lot of things as "fact" (written in the Bible) even when they appear nowhere in the Bible. This includes new believers, Bible scholars, pastors, and everyday Christians alike. The reason for this, I believe is that everyone expects to use the Bible as a tool for whatever subject they are talking about. If the Bible doesn't fit their subject, or they can't find what they want the Bible to say, they adlib it themselves to make it fit within their needs. Unfortunately, many pastors do this and mislead entire congregations. That's why it is so important to study the word of God in it's entirety and to look up anything you question as soon as possible, so you know that what you hear is in fact from the word of God, and not the words of whoever you are listening to. I do think it's sort of ironic that Christians often quote exactly what you mentioned, especially the "he who is without sin" part since the Bible tells us that no one except Jesus is without sin.

Answer 5

Yes, it looks like you have done your home work. But the question is why do you care so much! Why do you spend you time in it! Does the statement bothers you so much, or your dislike to the Christians worth more than your time!

Does it matter where it came from! as long as the statement makes since, that is all it count. And for your info, not just the Christians quote it. You just did.
Do you believe in Jesus now! now you are defending Him. How nice of you. :-)

Answer 6

First of all, Christians should not judge unbelievers. They are already judged by God. We are to reach out to them. Many will not want to hear the truth and that's their freewill to do so. How will God judge you, you my ask? By His law (the 10 commandments). Thats why the commandments are such a big issue in the news today. Unbelievers just don't want to hear it or see it. Only by accepting Christ by faith and not works will you be saved from the judgement to come. Not a judgement by Christians, but by the law giver Himself, God.

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Textus Receptus (John 8:7)

ως δε επεμενον ερωτωντες αυτον ανακυψας ειπεν προς αυτους ο αναμαρτητος υμων πρωτος τον λιθον επ αυτη βαλετω

Answer 7

Yes, we do not see this in any form of the Bible until the Latin translation. Either way it is a statement of lawlessness (for that time at least), further reinforcing the criminal tendencies of this particular mythic figure. If only those who are perfect can enforce laws, where does that leave us?

Answer 8

In John Jesus said of the woman caught in adultery,he that
is without sin,cast the first stone.

Answer 9

Try looking in John 8:3-11
And we are not going on what was or was not put in the Bible of today ...there have been many Bible researcher dedicating their life's to the Bible, translating and going over the scrolls and you couldn't have the information they have and so give us your resource.....There are many of us that have gifts....too. And why this passage was not in some Bibles doesn't mean it wasn't true...it may have been translated later and added..who knows but its in the King James version and it was translated in 1611 for King James,in English and words that meant one thing back then, now means something different,
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Answer 10

Most Christians who have not had any college level courses on the Bible or textual criticism just accept that every single word in the Bible was inspired by God and only "transcribed" through the authors. They usually also believe that each new testament book was actually written by the person whose name it bears, while that was seldom the case.

Serious inquiry into the matter is not encouraged by church leaders, in most cases.