why do christians say: "jesus died for you"?? he died because the roman empire thought he might be dangerous

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since he was gathering too many people, he was seen like a rebel to the empire and so accused of treason or whatever...so he was seen for the established government a threat to their interests, so, in same way, he died because according to roman laws he was a "criminal"...
That would be like saying a man who breaks in a house to steal something to buy food for their children,rapes and kills a woman, he is condemned to death and then someone says he died for his children...no, he died because of his actions, the intentions he had on life dont explain the reason of his death...so jesus died for what he did...he didnt die "on purpose" to accomplish any superior and divine goal, he was just executed (fair or unfair is not the point) due to his actions.

ghost you are a bit wrong...jews had to choose between jesus and barrabas because he was sentenced to death...that is like saying jesus died because a woodman cut the tree from where the cross was made

jealousy, unfair reasons? maybe but that is not the point, let´s say jesus died because of heretic behaviour, he claimedto be the son of a god, and that was against the "law"

mew25 you are like the one who sees the trees but not the forest (or is it the other way round)...i am not comparing both crimes,but saying that both actions lead to a result, jesus was killed for what he did so as the rapist...no point discussing if it is fair or not, jesus was not dyuing onpurpose to save no one, he was just executed

got air...you are saying exactly the same i do with different words, some of you people know that reading is something more than passing your sight along written words???

Answer 1

On what do you base your opinion. According to the bible, it was the Pharisees who demanded His execution because the doctrine He was teaching was a threat to their leadership and way of life. The Romans simply carried out the execution to keep peace in the land.

Answer 2

The law of sacrifice practiced anciently for thousands of years pointed symbolically to Christ's sacrifice.

The part of sacrifice that most strongly paralleled the Savior was the offering itself.

First, like Christ, the animal was chosen and anointed by the laying on of hands. (The Hebrew title Messiah and the Greek title Christ both mean “the Anointed One.”) Second, the animal was to have its life’s blood spilt. Third, it had to be without blemish—totally free from physical flaws, complete, whole, and perfect. Fourth, the sacrifice had to be clean and worthy. Fifth, the sacrifice had to be domesticated; that is, not wild but tame and of help to man (see Lev. 1:2–3, 10; Lev. 22:21). Sixth and seventh, for the original sacrifice practiced by Adam and the most common sacrifice in the law of Moses, the animal had to be a firstborn and a male (see Ex. 12:5; Lev. 1:3; Lev. 22:18–25). Eighth, the sacrifice of grain had to be ground into flour and made into breadstuffs, which reminds us of our Lord’s title the Bread of Life (see John 6:48). Ninth, the firstfruits that were offered remind us that Christ was the firstfruits of the Resurrection (see 1 Cor. 15:20).

“The effect of this [law] was that the best the earth produced, the best specimen in the flock or herd should not be used for self, but for God” . At a time in history when it was a struggle to make sure the family had food, those who sought to worship the Lord were asked to sacrifice the best part of their source of life.

Your implications that Christ was simply a criminal are not true. His arrest, trial, and condemnation by the Sanhedrin were entirely against their own law (arrest & trial at night, person cannot be condemned by their own testimony, etc.) and was done because the jealous rulers at the time knew the whole people would follow him and so they sought to protect their own power. The romans were merely the tool to accomplish the task since the Jews could not condemn a man to death.

Answer 3

I think after you examine the Scriptures a little closer you will find that even though he was crucified by the empire, it was not the empire's condemnation.

He, Jesus, was brought to Pilate by the Pharisees and angry mob of Jewish people. Where Pilate did not want anything to do with it. So they took him to a second place, but ultimately going back to Pilate. Where upon the agreement that Pilate will carry out their wishes, he "Washed his hands of the act" claiming no responsibility in the condemnation of Jesus. As he saw no evidence of an offense.

So, it was through the wishes of the Jewish population that Jesus was crucified and died, not the wishes of the Roman Empire.

What merit would the story of Jesus have been if he had been killed by a third party outside of the holy land? He needed to be killed by the people he was preaching to, not the governing body.

Answer 4

No, Jews are the one who thought Jesus was a threat and they took Him to Rome(the government not the city) and Pontius said He had nothing against Jesus but the people seemed so set against Him...so He let the Jews choose...

This is kind of like the Duke Lacrosse case....the DA had no evidence against them....but on he went with the case...and if the same laws were in place like back then, all three of them would be dead right now...

Answer 5

On the contrary! To die is a biological process. The cessation of existence is a metaphorical extension of the concept. That metaphor also implies a non-biological aspect of existence--a soul or spirit, if you will--because in most cases of death, there is definitely a continuation of existence, often as the sort of gruesome remains that keep the special-effects crews busy on "CSI" and "Bones." As to the metaphorical sense, we have no basis at all for assuming that passing out of our range of interaction actually means passing out of existence. You simply assume it, just as others assume an afterlife. On a less philosophical and more practical level, Christians understand what dying is. We just assert that it is no more permanent a state than our present life, and that Jesus both experienced death and demonstrated its impermanence. You may disagree, but it is unbelievably silly to assume that we don't understand what we're saying. You're arguing from willful ignorance of our position, just like the creationists who so frequently claim that the theory of evolution misunderstands the nature of life.

Answer 6

Actually, if you read the Bible, you'd find that your assumption is incorrect. It was the High Priest and the other priests and pharisees of Judiaism who feared that the Roman Empire would smash them because of Jesus. That's why they took Him to Pilate. The priests wanted Him crucified. As for His death and resurrection. Jesus could have turned tail and ran at any time. He could have stopped at any time. He knew what was coming. He knew His death would be the attonement for peoples sins. That is why He continued on.

Read the first four books of the NT :)

Answer 7

Yes what you say is true. He was a threat to many of His time.
But all that was part of a bigger plan....
He knew he was going to die.
He knew He would suffer and yet He did it anyway.
He had many many opportunities to not do what He did.
He prayed many times that God would change His mind and not go through with the "divine plan".
You're right again- "fair" is not the point.

Jesus died for many reasons, but not because He was a criminal.

Answer 8

Maybe, because at anytime he could have taken it all back, and asked for a punishmentnot as harsh, or admited he was wrong. Yet he didn't because we needed to know that he spoke the truth. He could have also never preached at all and avoided it-He knew that by spreading truth it would come at a price, so he decided that truth was worth that price of death. So from a Christians view-he would have died for us.

Answer 9

No.
Pilate, the govenor with jurisdiction, wanted to set Jesus free, but was afraid of a riot of the people.

John 19:11 Jesus answered, "You would have no authority over Me, unless it had been given you from above; for this reason he who delivered Me to you has {the} greater sin."
John 19:12 As a result of this Pilate made efforts to release Him, but the Jews cried out saying, "If you release this Man, you are no friend of Caesar; everyone who makes himself out {to be} a king opposes Caesar."

Luk 23:41 "And we indeed {are suffering} justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong."

John 8:45-47 "But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me. "Which one of you convicts Me of sin? If I speak truth, why do you not believe Me? "He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear {them,} because you are not of God."

Jhn 12:27 "Now My soul has become troubled; and what shall I say, 'Father, save Me from this hour'? But for this purpose I came to this hour."

1John 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for {those of} the whole world.

1John 4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son {to be} the propitiation for our sins.

Propitiation is a personal word, the law may be "expiated."
But a personal offense requires a personal response.
Our sin is a personal affront to God, requiring a personal response. We are not able to make adequate sacrifice for ourselves, so Jesus did for us what we could not do for ourselves: He died for our sins, the innocent for the guilty.

Answer 10

Pontious Pilate (Roman presiding over the ruling on
Jesus) washed his hands signifying that
he was not responsible b/c he knew Jesus was
guilty of nothing - the people pressured him to let
Jesus be crucified. It was jealousy and nothing else.
Many witnesses, including the thief on the cross
said He did nothing wrong and did not deserve to die!