Do you agree with this statement by one of R&S's most vocal Christians?

Question

"If the Jews had obeyed God and killed the people they were supposed to then Muhammad never would have been born and we would all be better off for it. God knows what he's doing."

I'm of the opinion that if such a god existed, then it could have prevented anyone it wanted from being born through means such as miscarriage, wild animal attacks, disease, or (heaven forbid) just making that person believe something else. I tend to think that if there is a god, or any gods, then they're powerful enough to prevent certain things from happening without resorting to asking/commanding their believers kill people, especially when it goes against it's other commandments (Thou shalt not kill?).

So what are your thoughts about this statement?

I left the person's name out intentionally, they know who they are, but I want them to see how others view the message they sent. If this person represents their religion, I can't see how anyone would want to be a part of their religion.

Answer 1

Hmm...interesting points of view here. God is testing his chosen people by having them kill innocent children...removing unborn children from the womb...very, very interesting test, I'd say. If abortion is murder...then isn't cutting a child from the womb of it's mother murder? I'd say yes. I'm sure the mother would.

The lack of basic humanity is what's missing here. The idea that a deity should override you basic human instinct NOT to kill a child is an abomination against humanity. I don' see a difference no matter WHO is telling you...or who you SAY is telling you.

If God is all powerful, in the traditions of the Christian Church, then he could toss the devil out of earth and we'd all be safe. He could have easily gotten rid of Muhammad. He's GOD after all. If he left it up to the Jews, then he would have KNOWN they would fail...he is all knowing. Hard to imagine God having to TEST anyone...he already knows what the outcome will be.

I think the statement is extremely myopic, and shows a kind of militant attitude that we are seeing more and more in our Christian fanatics.

Answer 2

I'd have to agree, that if the Biblical God existed literally, He could have taken care of the problem completely on His own without any help from mankind. Wouldn't it be blasphemous to suggest that an All-Powerful God needs mankind's help anyway? But as you pointed out, he could keep someone from being born... even without the miscarriage... make the mother barren. According to the Bible, God did all of these things to people anyway... and I don't know how many times I've heard someone say "it's in Gods hands whether or not you get pregnant" or find your true love... or get that job you're wanting. If God is Sovereign, as so many point out, His Will would be done whether we submit to it or not. It's silly to think mere mortals have ANYTHING to do with His Sovereignty to begin with! If we have anything to do with it, then if you got everyone to quit submitting to God, he wouldn't be able to a damn thing.

Answer 3

Ok, first of all if one does not believe in God then one cannot believe in evil can he. It is vice versa if you believe too right? Everybody just needs someone to blame for and well they have found God someone whom they have never seen or spoken to or experienced in anyway to blame it on. 'cause unlike our neighbors he is not gonna come in front of you and argue with you is he now?! When are we human beings going to take responsibility for our own actions. Now why should God make you or tell you to do anything. Don't the people have their brains to understand what is right and wrong. God is just an excuse to make their dirty work religious. God works in the same way as Newton's third law does "Every action has got equal and opposite reaction." What we sow so shall you reap. We are reaping the harvest of our own idiotic choices and behaviors. Now wouldn't it be stupid to think that carrots are gonna grow when you have put the seeds for a pumpkins. If one still has doubts and wants to think that all the misfortunes caused to mankind is the hand of God they should read the book "Life is Fair." Wow!! so the misfortunes should have been saved by God, but when something good happens God has no hand in it whatsoever. It is all due to the effort of the hard working man, but misfortunes are not work of the man they are something that God should not bestow on us 'cause we humans have done nothing wrong right? No religion in this world would let one to do anything to harm another living being. Don't people get it that all the religious facts were misinterpreted by priests and political people since the ancient times to get control over people and to cover their dirty acts as a command from God.

People have brains right try and think first.

Answer 4

I believe that that statement is silly. There will always be other religons out there, no matter whether or not a certain person was killed.
About your statement that God could stop things from happening or make people do something in particular, God did not do those things because he chose instead to give us free will. We can choose to (or not to) follow him and his commands. If we had no free will, then we'd be machines, not people. When he created man, that's not what he wanted.

Answer 5

I believe that all things work together for good to them that love God and them who are the called according to his purpose. It's time we stopped dwelling on what could have been and look at God's glory. Think about how many people have been converted to Jehova through the sheer stupidity of Muhammad. I feel sorry for him, he had the chance to recieve Christ, but instead he let a couple of devils in a dream tell him that God didn't have a son. Now he's burning in hell, nothing we can do about it. What we can do is show those in the bondage of Islam that the true God does love them and doesn't require them to kill themselves and others to gain His favor. It gives people one more reason to turn back to the one true God.

Answer 6

God is a creation of man's imagination. So is any advice from that alleged god to kill people. If Xians, Muslims and Jews alike would renounce their religion (all religions are the same) THEN perhaps we would be better off. If human beings bring about the end of the world, it will be done in the name of "god."

I have read some answers below mine and Bluto is my new hero! Way to go, Guy! Best answer to this question I could imagine.

Answer 7

Lol...I find this a little extreme but funny.

I guess what they're talking about is how Abraham had Ishmael outside of the covenant(Ishmael is the patriarch of Arabic people) and I guess they're talking about how David and some other prophets were instructed to kill God's enemies(the gentiles) that if they would've killed Ishmael, there wouldn't be a lot of the terrorism and stuff going on...

Answer 8

I disagree.

You need to remember that some people here are not Christians even thought they claim and believe they are. There are cults like Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons that claim to be Christians but they have very peculiar doctrines.

Answer 9

You have a genuine question and you deserve a good answer. First I am glad that you do concede that there exist good and evil- since you have outlined some of them in your question. For their to exist good and evil, there means that their is a moral law that defines it. Now who is the moral law giver?
God created us and give us a free will, He did not make us robots but give us the gift of free will, we are able to choose. The very reason that their is evil and wickedness is because there are those that have chosen to do that. We might however look at them and think we are better but the truth is we too are not better off their are things we do that we know we ought not to do. So we also fail in many ways. We are all sinners. The good news is that God has provided a way out for us. He came into this world became a man lived a righteous life and then paid the price for our own sins. Now because of Him we can be saved. In short the presence of evil in the world does not discount the presence of God it it reveals of the condition of Man and the need of a savior and that is Jesus Christ.

Answer 10

Totally misses the underlying reason why there is suffering at all.
The reason why all the bad things happen, whether disease, wars, hunger, are really a result of the basic concept of sovereignty. When Adam rebelled, he was not just 'eating the fruit' it was the whole issue of saying that, he, as a man, did not want to submit to God's sovereignty, that he, and his future offspring, could decide for themselves what is good and what is bad.
The results of this decision, is that God, rather than demand mankind's submission, has allowed all time ever since the rebellion, for man, to try as he might, to formulate a form of self-government-outside of God's interference, to prove that humans do not need God. Although many people who have no ability to recognize that it is man's fault, as to why so many are suffering, typically try to blame God, and use the suffering as a justification in a non-belief in God, they are really just ignorant of the bigger picture.
For, if they were correct, and there is no God, then the obvious conclusion would have to be, that humans are just inherently evil, even beyond what 'evolution' could legitimately claim.
So, if there are actually people who believe that a world without religion would somehow mysteriously produce love and peace amongst humans, they must be seriously in denial.
How is it that an amoral creature can have any sense of responsibility towards it's fellow creatures when their is virtually no compelling reason to do so?
If we did away with all religion, I would certainly be one of the first to say to myself,'anything goes' and if I cheat or deceive my fellow human, it is his fault, by reason of the fact that he must have been less evolved to have allowed himself to be cheated.