Or atleast condone it.
Again-just asking. Don't get offended. Please cite your source also.
2007-10-02 07:56:10 · 41 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
To Hoosier Daddy: Islam doesn't command or even condone the killing of people who convert out of Islam. The Quran says "there is no compulsion in religion".
2007-10-02 08:00:46 · update #1
To Elizebeth: They probably believe in Wahhabism which is a strict variation of Islam.This sect of Islam almost always contradicts the Qurans teachings (and the prophets).
2007-10-02 08:09:25 · update #2
Have to - No
Condone - yes.
BUT (and this is a BIG but)
it is only through words that can be interpreted in many different ways.
Indeed they may well be peaceful words, though they are still negative towards non-believers. More likely they are hateful words.
Thankfully it is only a minority of people who use them hatefully and as reasons against others.
I noticed how many answers you have pointing the finger at Islam. Does that mean that every serious Muslim wants to kill you? No. How do we blame religion so freely, when it is the individuals themselves who are responsible for their own actions?
If I suddenly became a serial killer tomorrow, would any of you be so quick to condemn my religion?
If so, then be prepared to hear the words 'Crusades' and 'Salem' from nearly all non-Christians.
Only it will never happen, because I do not agree that anybody on this planet has an excuse to take another life, therefore I could never be a serial killer. Plus the teachings of my (main) religion advise against harming others.
Accept that nobody is an ambassador of their chosen religion. Then think about your words, and ask how they apply to you.
((((hugs))))
May peace go with you throughout your life
Little additions:
A few have quoted 'Thou Shalt not Kill'. As I have been advised by Christians before, it is actually 'thou shalt not commit murder', implying that it is not ok to take a life for no reason, but if it's serious enough (like defending your 'chosen' religion), it's fine. In fact, it's RECOMMENDED.
2007-10-02 08:11:14 · answer #1 · answered by Bunny Hugs 1 · 2⤊ 3⤋
Absolutely not - remember we christians are in the New Covenant through Christ - some of the Old Testament stuff is unpleasant, and pertained to a bootstrap phase of God's revelation - the standard to follow is Christs's and He is not into forcing and killing people (but they do need to believe in Him to be sure to see heaven). Although I think the Spanish catholic church was into a lot of unchristian religious compulsion after the Reconquista.
You say its not in Islam, but that is untrue. I hope you don't knowingly lie - perhaps you are a convert told a sweet tale. The sharia law, which is what large bodies of muslim jurists came up with as a legal sytems for societies under the political control of Mohammedanism over many years of reflection and deliberation, sourced from what were regarded as reliable sources of revelation - Koran and hadith - has it that apostates should be killed. There is a verse in the Koran that says that God will bless the killer of an apostate (I read it).
I have heard real anecdotes of people experiencing attempted murder as they believed in Christ - in Egypt, Sudan, Pakistan, Afghanistan.
I think its on the law books in Saudi Arabia that a convert out of Islam is to be excecuted - one option is by crucifixion (a demonic touch there). Don't know about other muslim countries - the ones best influenced by European standards such as Turkey are more civilised.
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The "No compulsion in religion" verse just shows M was a hypocrite. He did at times kill people who would not accept him as God's prophet - that is most decidedly compulsion (some were given the option of converting or death). Put that correct-behaviour verse into practice though, please. It probably came from Mohammed's Meccan phase - he got bitter and ungodly when exiled to Medina.
2007-10-02 08:18:43 · answer #2 · answered by Cader and Glyder scrambler 7 · 2⤊ 1⤋
No it doesn't. Although you say Islam doesn't either at least seven Muslim countries that operate as theocracies with laws based on Islam have the death penalty for leaving the Islamic faith. Why?
Thanks, reading up on Wahhabism now. The OT had God killing or commanding the killing of people who followed different Gods but this hasn't been a doctrinal aspect of the Christian faith and there is no New Testament scripture supporting such a thing. During the Inquisition many were killed as heretics however, not sure how they justified this unless going back to Old Testament teachings.
2007-10-02 08:03:58 · answer #3 · answered by Zen Pirate 6 · 2⤊ 3⤋
No. Not at all. The worst thing biblically that can happen to a person for leaving the fold is they will be disfellowshipped or excommunicated. What this means is that person is publicly recognized as not being a Christian anymore and that the congregation should relate to them as a non-believer. This in no way entails ANY violence. In fact there are specific verses in the New Testament that a believer who has "backslide" into an immoral lifestyle is to be admonished with love and concern not violence or intimidation.
Source:
1Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. 2Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. 3If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. 4Each one should test his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else, 5for each one should carry his own load. (Galatians 6:1-4) NIV
2007-10-02 08:09:27 · answer #4 · answered by vantil23 5 · 2⤊ 2⤋
No. And kind of hard to cite a source for a scripture that does not exist.
About the closest I can think of whould be Paul's instructions that if a brother turns away from the faith, you should first go and try to bring them back. If they do not listen, then take an elder or other church leader along to help. If they still refuse to listen, then you are to treat them as you would a non-Christian. Jesus and Paul instructs us love, pray for, and do good to non-Christians.
So there is no Bible basis for killing someone who converts from Christianity.
2007-10-02 08:01:39 · answer #5 · answered by dewcoons 7 · 2⤊ 2⤋
No offense taken, it is a question, and that is how I took it! Thanks though!
Christianity does not kill those who make the choice to leave nor do they condone it.
(Jesus said...) But he who received the seed on stony places...
This is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy
Yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while.
For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. Mt 13.20-21
It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.
Of them the proverbs are true...
"A dog returns to its vomit"
"A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud." 2 Pet 2.21-22
deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 1 Cor 5.5
being confident of this very thing, that He (God) who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ Philippians 1.6
(Jesus said...) All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. John 6.37
2007-10-02 08:33:41 · answer #6 · answered by Gardener for God(dmd) 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Kill?!? Sounds like the great Inquisition or the middle Ages.
Nothing in the Christianity or in the Bible will command people to kill people.
Condone? Now, for Catholics, they have "excommunications" done in really rare, rare cases for the past centuries.
2007-10-02 08:00:30 · answer #7 · answered by indy450 2 · 1⤊ 2⤋
No, it doesn't. Although there have been avowed Christians who have done that (Inquistion, Crusades, conquistadores for example).
What it says in the Bible is that those who turn away should be turned over to Satan, meaning their sin.
2007-10-02 08:34:39 · answer #8 · answered by Gal from Yellow Flat 5 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Once upon a time, yes. Remember the Inquisition? The several Crusades? And if Christianity feels threatened again, wholesale slaughter of the "heretics" will again be deemed okay by Christians.
2007-10-02 08:01:20 · answer #9 · answered by Emerald Blue 5 · 3⤊ 2⤋
No. In the New Testament, Jesus tells the disciples to go and preach, and to turn their backs on those who won't listen to the word ("shake the dust off your sandals"). Nowhere are we commanded to do anything else but pray for the lost (see parable of the Prodigal Son, as well).
Let he who has ears, listen!
2007-10-02 08:00:26 · answer #10 · answered by Goethe's Ghostwriter 7 · 3⤊ 2⤋