Something about this concept confuses me. God incarnate, as his own father, his own son and his own holy ghost.
"For (God) so loved the world, that he gave (his) Only Begotton (Son)"
"I came to do the will of (Him) that sent me"
"(Father) if it be be possible, may this cup pass from me, not as I will but as thou will"
"(Father) why hast thou forsaken me?"
"(Father) forgive them for they know not what they do"
"(Father) who art in heaven hallowed be thy name"
"I will send you (Another) comforter who is The Holy Ghost"
So if Jesus addresses his Father, and the major "Chrisitan" religions of the day teach that Jesus is his own father, his own son and his own holy ghost. Are they not teaching false doctrine? I mean is it truly plausable that a Diety would be Inbred?
2007-10-01 13:33:56 · 19 answers · asked by ASE Master 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
the trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the christian religion -- the truth that in the unity of the godhead there are 3 persons, the father, the son, and the holy spirit, these 3 persons being truly distinct one from another.
the father is god, the son is god, and the holy spirit is god, and yet there are not 3 gods but 1 god." in this trinity of persons the son is begotten of the father by an eternal generation, and the holy spirit proceeds by an eternal procession from the father and the son. yet, notwithstanding this difference as to origin, the persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent. this, the church teaches, is the revelation regarding god's nature which jesus christ, the son of god, came upon earth to deliver to the world: and which she proposes to man as the foundation of her whole dogmatic system.
---st. augustine, while thinking about the trinity, met a small child on the beach who was attempting to ladle out the oceans using a spoon. when st. augustine explained to him how impossible his plan was, the boy replied by telling him that the mystery of the holy trinity was also not something that could be comprehended by the human mind---
2007-10-01 14:07:24 · answer #1 · answered by Anrê TrẦn An Dũng 2 · 3⤊ 2⤋
‘But isn’t Jesus called a god in the Bible?’ someone may ask. This is true. Yet Satan is also called a god. (2 Corinthians 4:4) At John 1:1, which refers to Jesus as “the Word,” some Bible translations say: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” But notice, verse 2 says that the Word was “in the beginning with God.” And while men have seen Jesus, verse 18 says that “no man hath seen God at any time.” (Authorized or King James Version) So we find that some translations of verse 1 give the correct idea of the original language when they read: “The Word was with God, and the Word was divine,” or was “a god,” that is, the Word was a powerful godlike one. (An American Translation) Clearly, Jesus is not Almighty God. In fact, Jesus spoke of his Father as “my God” and as “the only true God.”
Did Jesus ever say that he was God? No, he never did. Rather, in the Bible he is called “God’s Son.” And he said: “The Father is greater than I am.” Also, Jesus explained that there were some things that neither he nor the angels knew but that only God knew. (Mark 13:32) Further, on one occasion Jesus prayed to God, saying: “Let, not my will, but yours take place.” (Luke 22:42) If Jesus were the Almighty God, he would not have prayed to himself, would he? In fact, following Jesus’ death, the Scripture says: “This Jesus God resurrected.” (Acts 2:32) Thus the Almighty God and Jesus are clearly two separate persons. Even after his death and resurrection and ascension to heaven, Jesus was still not equal to his Father.
As for the “Holy Spirit,” the so-called third Person of the Trinity, this is not a person but God’s active force. John the Baptizer said that Jesus would baptize with holy spirit, even as John had been baptizing with water. Hence, in the same way that water is not a person, holy spirit is not a person. (Matthew 3:11) What John foretold was fulfilled when, following the death and resurrection of Jesus, holy spirit was poured out on his followers gathered in Jerusalem. The Bible says: “They all became filled with holy spirit.” (Acts 2:4) Were they “filled” with a person? No, but they were filled with God’s active force. Thus the facts make clear that the Trinity is not a Bible teaching. Actually, long before Jesus walked the earth gods were worshiped in groups of three, or trinities, in places such as ancient Egypt and Babylon.
2007-10-01 13:55:59 · answer #2 · answered by BJ 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
"All those Catholic expounders of the divine Scriptures, both Old and New, whom I have been able to read, who have written before me concerning the Trinity, Who is God, have purposed to teach, according to the Scriptures, this doctrine, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit intimate a divine unity of one and the same substance in an indivisible equality; and therefore that they are not three Gods, but one God: although the Father hath begotten the Son, and so He who is the Father is not the Son; and the Son is begotten by the Father, and so He who is the Son is not the Father; and the Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son, but only the Spirit of the Father and of the Son, Himself also co-equal with the Father and the Son, and pertaining to the unity of the Trinity." - St. Augustine of Hippo ("On The Trinity" 4th century A.D.)
Jesus himself teaches the concept of the Trinity very clearly in the baptismal formula in Matthew 28:19.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptising them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
I don't think what Christ teaches is paganism.
2007-10-01 13:55:15 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
sorry to tell you guys, but the doctrine of the holy trinity was invented by the catholic church and constantine some time in between 325 to 400 A.D. you cant find the term trinity in the holy scriptures. pls click on the link below and look for the article under the history category
2007-10-01 14:05:27 · answer #4 · answered by Jay Aka. ngerkday 4 · 4⤊ 0⤋
Christ, according to the faith, is the second person in the Trinity, the Father being the first and the Holy Ghost the third. Each of these three persons is God. Christ is his own father and his own son. The Holy Ghost is neither father nor son, but both. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten -- just the same before as after. Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father and Son, but was equal to the Father and Son before he proceeded, that is to say, before he existed, but he is of the same age of the other two.
So, it is declared that the Father is God, and the Son God and the Holy Ghost God, and that these three Gods make one God.
According to the celestial multiplication table, once one is three, and three times one is one, and according to heavenly subtraction if we take two from three, three are left. The addition is equally peculiar, if we add two to one we have but one. Each one is equal to himself and the other two. Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity.
Robert Ingersoll, 1895
2007-10-01 13:38:46 · answer #5 · answered by Brent Y 6 · 2⤊ 3⤋
it is not inbreeding because Christ is of the same substance and essence as the Father...Jesus was never born; He always was the Son. The Holy Spirit also shares essence and substance. They are One God with three persons. It's complicated but email if you dont get it and i can try to explain more.
Born on Earth yes in Human Nature but His Divine Nature was never born...
2007-10-01 13:44:25 · answer #6 · answered by tommy052588 2 · 1⤊ 1⤋
The son of the trinity is not Jesus, it is all of mankind.
Jesus is a part of this just like everyone else. Christianity has confused this by accepting the false teachings of Paul.
The holy spirit/ghost is not an actual being. It is essentially the communication link between God the creator and Her creation.
Love and blessings Don
2007-10-01 13:39:50 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 4⤋
The trinity is God and is before creation it is not bred. The Son a part of the whole came to the world to be born a man.
2007-10-01 13:46:49 · answer #8 · answered by djmantx 7 · 1⤊ 2⤋
The Trinity is not biblical. The concept of Trinity was adopted from pagan beliefs after emperor Constantine's Council of Nicea in 325 AD.
2007-10-01 13:44:41 · answer #9 · answered by Aeon Enigma 4 · 3⤊ 2⤋
God has seven Spirits that He can 'parcel out" anyway He chooses. He chooses the Father,Son and Holy Spirit.
2007-10-01 13:41:02 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 3⤋