ok, part 2. Show me in scripture where the Bible says that Mary became....?

Question

without original sin at the moment of conception? Show me!

still, nobody has backed this up with scripture.
???

Answer 1

Protestants do not believe Mary was sinless, Catholics do.

Scripture says she needed a Savior:

Rom 3:23: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Mary herself declared she needed a savior:

Luke 1:
46: And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47: And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Answer 2

You DO understand that it is Mary's conception we're talking about, right? Not Jesus'. (Just making sure.)

Obviously Mary's conception is not covered in the gospels, they don't go back far enough. The "Immaculate Conception" is a theological speculation based on the understanding that God could not occupy the womb of a sinful human being. Some things that aren't written in the Bible are assumed because they make more sense than alternative extrapolations.

A similar process began with the nature of Christ. Theologians called him the "Son of God" but they weren't sure what that meant at first. Paul says Jesus was "raised" (passive voice) from the dead by God. So apparently he was adopted by God at his resurrection. But that would mean he was only human when he died. That didn't sit well with the Atonement crowd. So they hypothesized that he was adopted at the beginning of his ministry, during his baptism by John. That's the way it's portrayed in the gospel of Mark. But some people still weren't happy. So Matthew and Luke portrayed Jesus as being "divine" from the moment he appeared in Mary's womb. And just to be sure, John took it back to before all creation. But it was clearly a gradual process of realization, based on theological need. The Mary story followed a similar path but the literature explaining it (and there IS literature) arrived too late to be taken seriously.

The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception depends on a certain set of assumptions about God, Jesus and "original sin", just as the divine/human equation of Jesus depends on certain assumptions about exactly what Jesus was doing with his life and death. I can't tell you which ones were true, but I know for some people, the ideas are very, very important.

Answer 3

Sigh. ought to we pass with the aid of this back?? there's a prohibition against idolatry interior the ten Commandments. Catholics at the instant are not stupid; all of us understand this prohibition exists. that's the reason we don't worship products, nor the different person or ingredient, living or lifeless, besides God Himself. The statues, artwork, and stained glass you spot in our church homes are non secular artwork. They represent people whose holy occasion we aspire to stay with; they teach people and activities from Scripture that are significant to bear in mind; they're the legacy of over one thousand years of a faith based on the interest of God that had to be communicated to those that could no longer study and could no longer have adequate money a hand-written reproduction of the Bible. there is not any worship in any of that. the place does it say the Pope ought to be worshipped? Nowhere. that is why we don't worhsip the Pope. he's our worldwide pastor. We appreciate him as you appreciate your guy or woman pastor. he's likewise a unifying image for the a million.a million billion Catholics international, it is component to the rationalization popes are oftentimes so accepted. Pastor or no longer, he's purely human. Why can we appreciate him? because of the fact Jesus left Peter in value of the Church, and the Pope is Peter's successor. (See Matthew, financial disaster sixteen). the place does it say that we ought to continually worship Mary, or that Mary is a goddess? Nowhere! that is why we don't worship Mary or think of she is a goddess. Scripture DOES say that Mary is "packed with Grace" and that one and all generations shall call her blessed. (See Luke, financial disaster a million). as a result, in conserving with the honor accorded to Mary with the aid of an Archangel of Heaven, we honor her for the unique function she performed in Christianity. So, we don't enhance the two the Pope or Mary to divine status, ergo we at the instant are not, in reality, worshipping devil. have you ever been to a Catholic Mass? that is all approximately God, and that is all approximately Jesus. you need to pass sometime and *see* what you're so violently protesting against. i think of you does no longer locate so very plenty objectionable inspite of each little thing.

Answer 4

It's not in Scripture. So you won't find it. I'm guessing it came from one of the Popes or councils in the Middle Ages. But that is just a guess.

But bless you for not confusing the Immaculate Conception with the Virgin Birth. Even if you don't believe either one of them, at least you've done enough homework to know what you're talking about. And that is deeply refreshing.

Answer 5

Mary was not without the original sin and was in need of salvation like everyone else. That is why you will not find this teaching in the Bible. Mary was, however, an obedient servant of God and was chosen by God to be the mother of God's Son. When the Bible declares that there are none who are righteous in God's sight, there are none who seeketh after God, it means none. However, Jesus Christ was the seed of woman, not man, because it is through the seed of man that sin is inherited.

Answer 6

In Luke, the angel greeted Mary as "Hail, Full of Grace."

Don't buy the watered down translations which state "Hail, highly favored one." Yes, she was favored, but she was much more than that.

"Hail..." was usually a salutation reserved for emperors and royalty, and yet God's messenger used this salutation.

The angel addressed Mary, not by her name, but as "Full of grace," as if it were Mary's title. She could not have been "Full of grace," if her soul was stained by any kind of sin, Original or otherwise.

The phrase "full of grace" is a translation of the Greek word kecharitomene.

Kecharitomene is a perfect passive participle of charitoo, meaning "to fill or endow with grace." Since this term is in the perfect tense, it indicates that Mary was graced in the past but with continuing effects in the present. So, the grace Mary enjoyed was not a result of the angel’s visit. In fact, it extended over the whole of her life, from conception onward. She was in a state of sanctifying grace from the first moment of her existence.

Answer 7

The Bible says that tradition is equal to scripture:
2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

Click here for information from the Catholic point of view:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07674d.htm
http://www.catholic.com/library/immaculate_conception_and_assum.asp

Answer 8

It doesn't make sense to me. In Mark 3 you can see her involved in sinful behaviour, feeling ashamed of Jesus' behaviour (actually the crowds were chaotic in their looking for Jesus because of the miracles He was doing; Mary and Jesus' brothers thought that Jesus was responsible for the chaos, blaming him and wanting to 'tick him off'.)

Answer 9

There is no such scripture. Mary WAS a virgin when she became pregnant, but she was a sinful human just like the rest. However, God's holy spirit kept Jesus safe and protect so he wouldn't be touched by that imperfection.

Ausbeastie: Joseph & Mary were married before Jesus was born. They just never consummated their marriage until after his birth.

Answer 10

Luke 1:30-35
But the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. 31You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. 32He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end." 34"How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?" 35The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called[a] the Son of God.

(Its saying that the God sent his spirit to give her the baby)