I am So confused Can someone try to help me? I have started tracing my family My parents or what I thought .?

Question

my parents. I am finding out we have been lied to for 46 years. I know one of my moms Half Brothers ran the tree and has all but disowened the family he is so mad from what he found Says Us Pieces of --- Do not even exist.We were told My Moms Mother Edith Ellen Irwin was married to our grandfather or who is suposed to have been Grandpa But we Find out Mom was Born in South Dakota by some Papers She is Listed as Violet M. Larsen B. 1929 D. 1996, She is listed as Father being ? Larsen; And Mother Edith Irwin. On a 1930 Census she is showed Living with Edith Irwin and a George Ochs family and Alice we find out is Alice Irwin some Relation to Edith, Violet was 1 2/12 living in Lake Vernon. But Edith and Charles were not Married until 1930 sometime. Edith was born in Gregory, SD. We were told mom was born in Pierre SD. How is it Edith Shows up in Missouri in Lake Vernon Census age 1 Relationship to head of house Daughter Fathers Name Edith. and on 1930 Census Being living with Ochs.

But yet on Charles and Edith she is Showed Under Charles Children as Violet Hansen, Female Child and they are listed as Nevada Missouri. I admit people move around but Growing up as a Child their were always so Many insults by Moms Step Dad. Once a Whore Always A whore,Like Mother Like Daughter Whore Don't Know How to Marry the Man Before They Lay with Him., Pretty Bad 5 Generations of Your Family women and None of the B****** could get married before they had a KID. Now we find out that him and Grandma were Married in June of 1930 and Mom was born in January of 1929. My parent were Married in May of 1946 and my Oldest sister was fuul term she was Born in November of 1946. I am wanting to Know if anyone out there can tell me about Ediths Parents they were Miles P. Irwin born 1868 in Iowa, and Her Mother was Myrtle Violet Palmer born 1887 in Nickerson Nebraska. I have looked in ancestry.com, and alot of the genealogy site but not finding much on this family .

Answer 1

you know all parents have secrets know one knows why. but this is an ubsurd secret you should tell your mum you found out some stuff and have a long talk about it about why she lied

and ask her to tell you the whole story strait to your face.

Answer 2

In 1900, Miles Irwin was living with his parents, George Irwin (b. 1836 in Pennsylvania) and Francis J. ? (born 1936 in Canada) in Gregory, SD. They lived right next to Myron and Emily Irwin who are most likely related in some way – probably a married son to George Irwin.

Miles married Myrtle (identified as born in Iowa) about 1904. Myrtle was about 17 at the time of marriage, Miles was about 32. In 1910 they lived in Carlock, Gregory, South Dakota and had two children, Edith (b. abt 1908) and Sylvia (born in 1909). There was also a third child that did not survive.

In 1920 they were still living in Carlock, but now Myrtle was identified as born in Nebraska (1910 census was probably incorrect as to her being born in Iowa – assumed the same as the Miles). Now they had 4 additional children: Gottie, Frances, Gage and Ethel.

I could find nothing beyond 1920.

Answer 3

I can only tell you that usally the documentation on a Person from the staate File is the correct one.I mean the Familie tree could have been but together wrong ,or so .And as you know ,a lots of times when something was not good looking to Families,they just put all of it under the Table ,just not to look bad.Way different from now these days.It was back then like a dishonor to Families.like maybe having a Child at young age and therefore giving it to some other Familie members who cant have children or would take good care.But there would never be anything said by any Familie member ,do not make any Conflict ever.So maybe thats what had happend .And after many Generations or down the road ,noone is thinking to say or knows anything...Go to your Courthouse (or call)and ask them where you could get the best Info ,and go from there.Or call the Library,but I would rather go there ,you can def.get info there.Remember that if something is not the way you know ,they had to have a reson for it and did it the best way posible for themand the one involved...Good luck ..Siggi

Answer 4

I am SO sorry that some in your family have allowed "family secrets" to become a source of hostility. Out of wedlock births are nothing new, they have gone on for hundreds of years. For me, the approach to genealogy is "scientific".. in other words, I am interested in finding the verifiable facts, and NOT making any judgements on them. Not everyone can do this, especially when you are just starting out, and the facts involve emotions of living persons.
Grandpa may not be the bio dad. I am hoping that even so, he raised the children with love. I HAVE noticed a distinct thing in persons born in the 1920s and 1930s, who were affected by the depression. Poverty, split families, etc. is something that many of them would like to forget, not remember. You do have the option of simply noting the fact, and treating Grandpa as a key part of the lives, ie tracing his family and keeping it as part of your files.
As for Larsen.. it is possible he was the actual father. Or (as in one family I worked) the name given was made up, to cover the facts. Sometimes that can be investigated, other times, it will cause a lot of animosity and anger.
As to the census conflict, looks like a double enumeration. This happens quite a bit, if the family was moving. This is because the census taker will ask "who is living in the house AS OF A CERTAIN DATE." In other words, he might not get to the home until October, but he wants to know who was there in June. Often this isn't clear to the family when they answer. So.. one person says accurately who WAS there. Later, the persons get recounted in another home, because they were there when the census taker actually arrived.
It is certainly sad when persons allowed their moral judgements to hurt someone, especially the child who had no control of the situation. You have the opportunity to focus on the good things, I hope.

Answer 5

If you cant find anyone that can find the right pieces to put together, then I would suggest on hiring an investigator that specializes in finding lost families and hidden family trees.

I had found out in my case that last names were changed because it was to not only protect the family but it was shamefull to be Irish and/or French in America back in the 30's & 40's.
Example: Dill was originally LaDill

Answer 6

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Answer 7

Get as many people males in the family as you can to have a DNA Y-Chromosome test, women can get a mtDNA test. You can then see if their DNA matches other people around the country and around the world with the same surname. You can compare results on online databases such as http://www.smgf.com and http://www.ysearch.org


Also, remember back then there were probably DOZENS of different people with the SAME name as your ancestor! Just as there are probably hundreds of people around today with the same name as you. Also, whether people were married or not, they are still your parents.... Sorry, I think only a DNA test will be able to sort this out.

Answer 8

Isnt it amazing when you start learning about where you came from and how it all came to be? Our personal histories are fascinating.

Answer 9

well, at least, its all coming to light. good lick!

Answer 10

I hope this helps a little. If this so-called "Uncle" of yours thinks he is so righteous and disowns half the family, let it be known that you DO have a family tree, you have some famous relatives (including Presidents, writers, actresses, and singers), and there's not been a single family in the history of mankind that hasn't had skeletons in the closet somewhere along the line, including kings and queens. That is what makes us human. We are NOT meant to be error-free. PS--did he maybe think possibly this guy Larsen DIED before he could marry Edith??


www.ancestry.com
1930 United States Federal Census:

Name: Edith Irwin
Home in 1930: Lake, Vernon, Missouri
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1908
Birthplace: South Dakota
Relation to Head of House: Daughter-in-law (NOTE: on original image it said "D-in-law" and the transcriber mistook it for "S-in-law" or "Son-in-law")
Race : white
Household Members: Name Age
William G Ochs 41
Alice E Ochs 28
Leland E Ochs 6
Weller W Ochs 4
Andrew I Ochs 2
Edith Irwin 22
Violet M Irwin 1


www.rootsweb.com:

William George OCHS was born 1889 in Missouri, and died 1953 in Missouri. He was the son of 2. Andreas ANDREW Ochs and 3. Mary UNKNOWN. He married Alice Eleanor IRWIN. She was born 1905, and died 1973.

www.ancestry.com

1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Miles Irwin
Home in 1920: Carlock, Gregory, South Dakota
Age: 49 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Birthplace: Iowa
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Myrtle
Father's Birth Place: Pennsylvania
Mother's Birth Place: Canada
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Household Members: Name Age
Miles Irwin 49
Myrtle Irwin 33
Edith Irwin 11
Sylvia Irwin 10
Gottie Irwin 8
Frances Irwin 5
Gage Irwin 3
Ethel Irwin 1
(Note: 4 other children's ages shown on original, but no names are given)

www.ancestry.com:
1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Miles Irwin
Age in 1910: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1872
Birthplace: Iowa
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Pennsylvania
Mother's Birth Place: Canada English
Spouse's name: Myrtle
Home in 1910: Carlock, Gregory, South Dakota
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Household Members: Name Age
Miles Irwin 38
Myrtle Irwin 23
Edith Irwin 2
Silvia Irwin 5/12

www.ancestry.com--Miles' Family group

Miles P Irwin
Born: 5 Dec 1868
Marion County, Iowa, USA
Died: 22 Jul 1929
Norfolk, Madison, Nebraska, USA
Spouse:
Myrtle Violet Palmer
Born: 9 June 1887; Nickerson, Neb., USA
Died: 29 May 1942; Central City, Merrick Co., Neb. USA
Marriage: 6 Jun 1905 in Herrick, South Dakota, USA
Children- Sex- Birth
Edith Ellen Irwin (F) 28 Feb 1908 in Gregory, South Dakota, USA
Sylvia Marie Irwin (F) 24 Nov 1909 in Gregory, South Dakota, USA
Goldie Grace Irwin (F) 5 Nov 1911 in Jamison, Nebraska, USA
Frances Marguerite Irwin (F) 22 Oct 1914 in Gregory, South Dakota, USA
George Arnold Irwin ( M) 19 Dec 1916 in Gregory, Gregory, South Dakota, USA
Ethel Garnet Irwin ( F) 24 Nov 1918 in Gregory, South Dakota, USA
Milo Monroe Irwin (M) 23 Mar 1921 in Carlock, South Dakota, USA

www.ancestry.com--Irwin/Ochs
William George Ochs
Born: abt 1888, Missouri, USA
Died:
Spouse
Alice Eleanor Irwin
Born: 1905
Died: 1973
Marriage:
Children Sex Birth
Living Ochs (M )
Living Ochs ( F)
Living Ochs (M)
Leland E Ochs (M) abt 1923
Weller W Ochs (M) abt 1925
Andrew I Ochs (M) abt 1927
Violet M Irwin (F) abt 1928


www.rootsweb.com--Descendancy of ? Larsen:
1 ? Larsen
+ Edith Ellen Irwin b: 1908 d: 1992
2 Violet Larsen b: 1929 d: 1996
+ Maurice Wardell d: 1989
3 Living Wardell
+ Living Bartlett
4 Living Bartlett
+ Living Lee
4 Living Bartlett
3 Living Wardell
+ Living Zanner
4 Living Zanner
4 Living Zanner
4 Living Zanner
3 Living Wardell
+ Living Wormington
4 Living Wardell
4 Living Wardell
4 Living Wardell
+ Living Crane
3 Living Wardell
3 Living Wardell
+ Living Nolan
4 Living Patrick
4 Living Patrick
3 Living Wardell
+ Living Williams
4 Living Williams

www.rootsweb.com--marriages of Edith E. Irwin and children:
ID: I02527
Name: Edith Ellen Irwin
Sex: F
Birth: 1908
Death: 1992

Father: Miles P Irwin b: 2 DEC 1868 in Iowa
Mother: Myrtle Violet Palmer b: 9 JUN 1887 in Nickerson, Nebraska

Marriage 1 Charles Erwin Wust
Children
Living Wust
Living Wust
Doris Wust b: 1937
Living Wust
Living Wust

Marriage 2 ? Larsen
Children
Violet Larsen b: 1929

www.rootsweb.com --6 generations of family tree featuring Violet M. Larsen:

GENERATION NUMBER 1:

1. Violet Larsen was born 1929, and died 1996. She was the daughter of 2. ? Larsen and 3. Edith Ellen Irwin. She married Maurice Wardell. He died 1989.


GENERATION NUMBER 2:

2. ? Larsen.


3. Edith Ellen Irwin was born 1908, and died 1992. She was the daughter of 6. Miles P Irwin and 7. Myrtle Violet Palmer.

Child of Edith Ellen Irwin and ? Larsen is:1. i. Violet Larsen was born 1929, and died 1996. She married Maurice Wardell. He died 1989.


GENERATION NUMBER 3

6. Miles P Irwin was born 2 DEC 1868 in Iowa, and died 22 JUL 1929 in Norfolk, Madison, Nebraska. He was the son of 12. George Washington Irwin and 13. Frances Jane Foster.


7. Myrtle Violet Palmer was born 9 JUN 1887 in Nickerson, Nebraska, and died 29 MAY 1942 in Central City, Merrick, Nebraska. She was the daughter of 14. John Riley Palmer and 15. Martha Grace Riley.

Children of Myrtle Violet Palmer and Miles P Irwin are:3. i. Edith Ellen Irwin was born 1908, and died 1992. She married Charles Erwin Wust. He died 1990. She married ? Larsen.
ii. Sylvia Marie Irwin was born 1909. She married Ralph Peterson. She married Russell Rogers.
iii. Goldie Grace Irwin was born 1911. She married Cecil James. She married Tom Burke.
iv. Living Irwin. She married Paul Allen Robertson. He was born 1909, and died 1977. She married Paul Allen Robertson. He was born 1909, and died 1977.
v. George Arnold Irwin was born 19 DEC 1916 in Gregory, Gregory, South Dakota, and died 2 AUG 1997 in McCall, Valley, Idaho. He married Living Dillon.
vi. Living Irwin.
vii. Milo Monroe Irwin was born 23 MAR 1921 in Carlock, South Dakota, and died 9 NOV 1998. He married Marian Arlene Kampf 16 SEP 1946 in Dallas, South Dakota. She was born 1929, and died 20 OCT 1998.


GENERATION NUMBER 4:

12. George Washington Irwin was born 10 MAR 1836 in Alleghany Co., Pennsylvania, and died 17 MAY 1917 in Gallatin, Davies, Missouri. He was the son of 24. John W. Irwin and 25. Marah "Elizabeth" Elizabeth Billick.


13. Frances Jane Foster was born 26 DEC 1834 in Oil City, Lambton, Ontario, Canada, and died 15 MAY 1906 in Brocksburg, Keya Paha, Nebraska. She was the daughter of 26. Francis Foster and 27. Ann Rouse.

Children of Frances Jane Foster and George Washington Irwin are: i. Ellen Elizebeth Irwin was born 5 JUN 1859. She married James Warner Clark. He was born 1861, and died 1946.
ii. Annie Molly Irwin was born 1860 in Illinois. She married Living Thompson.
iii. Myron Milton Irwin was born 24 DEC 1861 in Morrison, Whiteside, Illinois, and died 6 APR 1945 in Columbus, Platte, Nebraska. He married Sarah Elizebeth Jones 16 JUL 1886 in Keya Paha Co. Nebraska. She was born 19 NOV 1867 in Ohio, and died 16 MAR 1892 in Springview, Keya Paha, Nebraska. He married Emily Alverda Graves 21 APR 1900 in Bonesteel, Gregory, South Dakota, daughter of Francis Marion Graves and Margaret "Peggy" Ann Pickerel. She was born 29 APR 1873 in Maryville, Nodaway, Missouri, and died 25 OCT 1941 in Emmett, Gem, Idaho.
iv. George Wade "Wade" Irwin was born 22 AUG 1865 in Illinois, and died 26 AUG 1944 in Kelso, Cowlitz, Washington. He married Ellen "Nellie" Elizabeth Horsell OCT 1906 in Brocksburg, Keya Paha, Nebraska. She was born ABT 1866, and died 1940 in Kelso, Cowlitz, Washington.
6. v. Miles P Irwin was born 2 DEC 1868 in Iowa, and died 22 JUL 1929 in Norfolk, Madison, Nebraska. He married Myrtle Violet Palmer 6 JUN 1905 in Herrick, South Dakota, daughter of John Riley Palmer and Martha Grace Riley. She was born 9 JUN 1887 in Nickerson, Nebraska, and died 29 MAY 1942 in Central City, Merrick, Nebraska.
vi. Porter Irwin was born 28 JUN 1871 in Marion County, Iowa, and died 6 NOV 1961 in Nevada, Vernon, Missouri. He married Olive Bell Parker. She was born 1875, and died 1947.
vii. Emma C. Irwin was born 24 JUN 1874 in Marion County, Iowa, and died 27 JAN 1908 in Nebraska.
viii. Joseph Irwin was born 16 OCT 1876, and died 6 OCT 1903.
ix. Clare Walter Irwin was born MAR 1881 in Whiteside County, Illinois, and died AFT 1900.

14. John Riley Palmer was born 21 DEC 1859 in Magnolia, Harrison, Iowa, and died 25 JAN 1943 in Dallas, South Dakota. He was buried in Gregory, South Dakota.

15. Martha Grace Riley was born 22 NOV 1867 in Princeton, Illinois, and died in Blackhills, South Dakota.

Children of Martha Grace Riley and John Riley Palmer are: i. Goldie Palmer. She married Harry Sikes.
ii. Everett Palmer.
iii. Olive Palmer.
iv. Arthur Palmer.
v. John Palmer.
vi. Raymond Palmer.
vii. Ida Palmer.
viii. Ina Palmer.
ix. Eugene Palmer.
7. x. Myrtle Violet Palmer was born 9 JUN 1887 in Nickerson, Nebraska, and died 29 MAY 1942 in Central City, Merrick, Nebraska. She married Miles P Irwin 6 JUN 1905 in Herrick, South Dakota, son of George Washington Irwin and Frances Jane Foster. He was born 2 DEC 1868 in Iowa, and died 22 JUL 1929 in Norfolk, Madison, Nebraska. She married Noah Bales 19 OCT 1939.
xi. Sylvia Pearl Viola Palmer was born 19 MAY 1891 in Freemont, Dodge, Nebraska, and died 9 JAN 1969 in Roseburg, Douglas, Oregon. She married Edward George Dean 8 DEC 1906 in Naper, Boyd, Nebraska. He was born 9 JAN 1879 in Waverly, Bremer, Iowa, and died 4 JUL 1933 in Spencer, Boyd, Nebraska. She married Edward Vadinous 18 SEP 1935. He was born 20 APR 1882 in Morrisville, Missouri, and died 27 OCT 1958 in Norfolk, Nebraska. She married Marion D. Taylor 16 MAR 1960 in Marion, Yamhill, Oregon. He died ABT 1961 in Roseburg, Douglas, Oregon.


GENERATION NUMBER . 5

24. John W. Irwin was born 15 AUG 1800 in Pennsylvania, and died 28 DEC 1893 in Bourbon Co., Kansas. He was buried in Mt. Olive Cemetary Redfield, Kansas.

25. Marah "Elizabeth" Elizabeth Billick was born 15 FEB 1803 in Pennsylvania, and died 6 AUG 1889 in Burbon Co., Kansas. She was buried in Mt. Olive Cemetary Redfield, Kansas. She was the daughter of 50. George Arnold Billig and 51. Magdalena "Lany" Lang.

Children of Marah "Elizabeth" Elizabeth Billick and John W. Irwin are: i. Nancy H. Irwin was born 10 OCT 1830 in New York, and died 21 SEP 1894. She married Everard Plough 20 AUG 1846 in Carroll Co., Illinois, son of Werner Plouch and Anna Katerine Weitzel. He was born 5 MAR 1823 in Hesse-Darmstedt Germany, and died 25 JUL 1873 in Bourbon Co., Kansas.
12. ii. George Washington Irwin was born 10 MAR 1836 in Alleghany Co., Pennsylvania, and died 17 MAY 1917 in Gallatin, Davies, Missouri. He married Frances Jane Foster 18 JUL 1858 in Morrison, Whiteside, Illinois, daughter of Francis Foster and Ann Rouse. She was born 26 DEC 1834 in Oil City, Lambton, Ontario, Canada, and died 15 MAY 1906 in Brocksburg, Keya Paha, Nebraska.
iii. Mary Irwin was born 1838 in Pennsylvania. She married David Kenyon 14 NOV 1857, son of Aureiius Kenyon. He was born 1822 in New York.
iv. Caroline C Irwin was born 8 JUL 1845 in Carroll Co., Illinois, and died 10 DEC 1877 in Carroll Co., Illinois. She married Henry Phillips 5 SEP 1860 in Whiteside Co., Illinois. He was born 8 JUL 1839 in Warren, New York, and died 17 JUN 1890 in Carroll Co., Illinois.
v. Giles P. Irwin was born 1846 in Illinois, and died 1874. He married Susan C Swift 29 SEP 1865 in Stephenson Co., Illinois, daughter of David Swift and Harriet Hunn. She was born 31 OCT 1848 in Illinois.

26. Francis Foster was born 4 FEB 1804 in East riding Yorkshire, Brantingham, England, and died 17 OCT 1888 in Clyde, Whiteside, Illinois.

27. Ann Rouse was born 29 JUL 1804 in Lennox, Madison, New York, and died 11 SEP 1890 in Clyde, Whiteside, Illinois.

Children of Ann Rouse and Francis Foster are:13. i. Frances Jane Foster was born 26 DEC 1834 in Oil City, Lambton, Ontario, Canada, and died 15 MAY 1906 in Brocksburg, Keya Paha, Nebraska. She married George Washington Irwin 18 JUL 1858 in Morrison, Whiteside, Illinois, son of John W. Irwin and Marah "Elizabeth" Elizabeth Billick. He was born 10 MAR 1836 in Alleghany Co., Pennsylvania, and died 17 MAY 1917 in Gallatin, Davies, Missouri.
ii. Richard Foster was born 21 DEC 1836 in Oil City, Lambton, Ontario, Canada, and died 14 JUL 1904 in Clyde, Whiteside, Illinois. He married Mary A. Hickok 15 JAN 1861 in Unionville, Whiteside, Illinois. She was born 15 JAN 1843 in Canada, and died 29 APR 1916 in Thomson, Carroll, Illinois.
iii. Catherine Foster was born 17 JUN 1839 in Oil City, Lambton, Ontario, Canada, and died 3 NOV 1857 in Clyde, Whiteside, Illinois.
iv. Elizabeth Foster was born 17 JUN 1839 in Oil City, Lambton, Ontario, Canada, and died 16 OCT 1857 in Clyde, Whiteside, Illinois.
v. Emma Foster was born 18 DEC 1841 in Oil City, Lambton, Ontario, Canada, and died 11 DEC 1911 in Antelope Co., Nebraska. She married John Mosher. She married J.P. Russell.
vi. Agnes Adelaide Foster was born 26 NOV 1850 in Clyde, Whiteside, Illinois, and died 16 DEC 1926 in Morrison, Whiteside, Illinois. She married Charles Baker. He was born 1849 in Illinois.

GENERATION NUMBER 6:

50. George Arnold Billig was born 6 MAR 1778, and died AFT 1852. He was the son of 100. Emmanuel Billig and 101. Regina Resch.

51. Magdalena "Lany" Lang was born 15 JUL 1771, and died AFT 1852.

Children of Magdalena "Lany" Lang and George Arnold Billig are: i. Lara Billig.
ii. Samuel Billig was born 19 JUN 1796.
iii. William Anthony Billig was born 1 MAY 1802, and died 6 APR 1864 in Pecatonica, Stephenson, Illinois. He married Sarah "Sally" Marsch ABT 1826 in Livingston co., New York. She was born 11 DEC 1804, and died 1894 in Pecatonica, Stephenson, Illinois.
25. iv. Marah "Elizabeth" Elizabeth Billick was born 15 FEB 1803 in Pennsylvania, and died 6 AUG 1889 in Burbon Co., Kansas. She married John W. Irwin. He was born 15 AUG 1800 in Pennsylvania, and died 28 DEC 1893 in Bourbon Co., Kansas.
v. Charles Billick was born 18 JUL 1814, and died 31 MAY 1897 in Brooklyn, Poweshiek, Iowa. He married Polly Swift. She was born 26 JAN 1816 in New York, and died 14 DEC 1858 in Pecatonica, Stephenson, Illinois.
vi. George Billig was born 30 JUN 1815. He married Phila Swift 8 JAN 1842 in Winnebago co., Illinois, daughter of Zebulon "Joe" Sr Swift and Abigail Perkins. She was born 27 MAR 1821 in New York, and died 22 OCT 1918 in Alturas, Modoc, California.