Jujitsu is rubbish..... as a mater of fact all martial arts are...?

Question

That is my opinion, all these people go on about how all fights go to the ground, they only go to the ground if you let them. An average fight lasts 10 - 20 seconds and from my experience they are all fist fights, my argument is martial arts are a waste of time when they can not be used in a real fight situation, they are all well and good for sport but when it comes down to it there is only one true martial art, boxing.

A trained boxer would kill any martial artist.

Answer 1

This real fight nonsense will lead you to nothing but a dead end (perhaps literally). It is also a big misunderstanding of what martial arts are all about. Most of us also have jobs and families and have much too much to live for to risk it all in some stupid macho scuffle with a street punk for no other reason than "he looked at me". And if you get in enough of these, you'll cross the wrong person sooner or later - not everybody in the street fights fair and some are downright sociopaths.
There's so much more to the martial arts than learning how to fight. It's a whole philosophy and way of life. It can also be a great self-defense tool if you ever have to use it and if you're realistic about what you expect it to do, but smart people hope they'll never have to (you have to be mentally deranged to wish somebody would assault you).

I suggest you read this:
http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/streetfighting.html

Answer 2

1- boxing IS a martial art.

2- the benefit boxing has over many arts is simply its training methodology. This is because they (up until recently) were one of the few arts (including muai thai, kickboxing, san da, etc.) that trained with full resistance as opposed to a vast majority of gyms that taught striking arts not training realistically.

3- also boxing is not entirely immediately effective in a real fight either. once a boxer is tackled- which is where you see the "all fights go to the ground" idea, then he is effectively neutralized unless he can create distance. most real fights don't start at boxing range either, they start by surprise or much much closer. So this needs to be taken into account. And many opponents, when getting peppered with strikes to the head (while drunk so thier feeling is down) will eventually try to tackle you or muscle you.

4- boxing is an EXCELLENT art to learn, but if you think it is the be-all end all of martial arts, you will have your *** handed to you on a silver platter the moment you run into someone who is a real martial artist (Ie: trains realistically).

5- you have good points, and have stated many truths, albiet in a very skewered way that makes aspects of what you have said wrong.

6- boxing experience also makes you an aggressive striker, and helps teach you to deal with one, something many non sportative MAs don't know how to be or deal with.

7- I don't think there are many people who can claim to be good fighters without having some kind of martial arts background (boxing is a martial art). Truth is that if you don't train with resistance against a fully resisting opponent, you are right, however if you are talking about a person who trains with resistance then you are grossly incorrect.

if a boxer trained in this manner, either because they did it in some kind of "cardio boxing" program, then they too would look as horrendous as the average guy from another form of martial arts gym that doesn't train realistically.

Answer 3

Martial arts can't be used in a real fight situation? Hmmm, I wonder why every countries military teaches mixed martial arts,including boxing and ground fighting?Hello, any body home in there?Boxing alone DOES NOT work! Yes it is a martial art and has been a part of martial arts training for over 2000 years because it has its place among the many skills and body weapons that a fighter needs to survive.I wonder how long a battle would last if we sent trained boxers into a hand to hand combat situation.

Answer 4

fights don't really go to the ground if you let them, they go to the ground if someone starts to get an advantage and decides to take it there.
fights may only last 10-20 seconds but its how you react in the first 2 that can decide the outcome, which is what MA helps you train were boxing you just get shown how to throw punches.
A fight can start from any position, behind infront etc. arm lock or watever its gonna be so you have to know how to get out of these. once again MA teaches, boxing doesnt.
If your sitting down and someone walks up to you, if your a boxer you have to stand up to punch, MA teaches straight from ground in self defense and Jujitsu shows you how to tackle them... boxing you'd have to find your own way of how to stand up.

Lots of people like boxing because you can see improvments quickly etc. then thing with a martial art that a lot of people don't understand is that you have to stick with it.
if you want a sport or some quick effective fighting knowledge learn boxing, if your in for the long term find a good martial art.

Answer 5

It really depends on your skill level. There are great streetfighters out there, who actually look like they could be professional fighters. They can punch, kick and grapple. Some can actualy fight two or three people at a time.

Anyway, the UFC has already established that Jiu Jitsu is best martial art against any other style. Everyone in MMA learns it religiously.

As for this school yard "My style can beat yours". Quite simply folks if you think that your style can beat others, then get off of the internet and go to any Boxing gym or Martial Arts or MMA gym and make a challenge.

I am getting sick of you people making such stupid remarks. Get your cell phone out and go challenge them and post the video on YouTube so we can all watch.

Answer 6

In fact there are plenty of women who do kick boxing and no you do not need to be big and muscular for any martial art. As for what art you should look into then really that depends on what classes are available to you. You need to find out what there is in your area, take a look at each school - most will offer a trial session for free or at least let you watch a class first. Pick the best school you can with the art that you find yourself most drawn to. Good luck.

Answer 7

I agree with something you said: "my argument is martial arts are a waste of time when they can not be used in a real fight situation"

But, those are arts that are not completely taught. The Asians left out a lot of the true essence of their arts when they taught Americans. They did see that SOME Americans were worth teaching so there are a handful of teachers out here that can teach you how to use them, like this one... (well, this is cheating since he's Okinawan, related to Chojun Miyagi... but he is in America!) This is the way Martial Arts is DONE!

http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=taika+oyata&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv

Check out the Ed Parker Senior Students.

About the boxer killing the martial artist... you are right and you are also very wrong.

Answer 8

Boxing is a martial art. Some fights go to the ground. If you can punch someone out and run away, that's a good thing to hope for in a street confrontation. It's never good to wait around for them to pull out a gun or a knife. It's not usually good to "choke" them while their buddies stab you in the back. Throws are extremely street effective, as is a good cross-right.

Answer 9

There are more fights on heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamed of in your philosophy.

Sorry Shakespeare.

Anyway, I've seen fights go for 10-15 *minutes*. Punches, kicks, wrestling on the ground. Blood, teeth.

I've seen *dozens* of people brawling in a bar--almost weekly. Twice on Fridays.

And I've yet to see a boxer handle a beer pitcher to the back of the head any better than anyone else.

Answer 10

JUDO GENE LEBELL wiped out MILO SAVAGE in a boxing vs martial arts thing in the 60s MAS OYAMA took on challengers in a tour around the same time defeating boxers of every weight class and a few wrestlers as well.
CHOKI MOTOBU in the 1920s wiped out a RUSSIAN heavyweight champ in no time flat in TOKYO.
JACK DEMPSY the great heavy wieght had a book out in the 30s that displayed boxing technique for street situations .He lamented at the end of the book that these methods were no longer trained or practiced as training favored sport only.Like everything else boxing has been watered down to accomadate sport.
Beware the teacher who only wants to teach you how to win a trophy.