Biffle was not the winner....?

Question

Biffle ran out of fuel and was not able to maintain caution speed.... he was passed & therefore was no longer able to be scored in 1st. SORRY.... just like on any other caution, if a driver pulls off to pit lane & is passed, he loses his spot in line. This isn't the scoring at the TIME caution was called. Biffle was first at the TIME caution came out.... but under the YELLOW, he lost his spot when he could no longer maintain track speed.

If you disagree, then explain what happens then in the middle of the race and Stewart was the leader and they did NOT red flag the race like they did? What if they'd continued to run caution laps & Stewart had run out of fuel & was passed by the other drivers?

Does anyone have any other records to show what NASCAR has done in the past or is this the first time this has EVER happened?

The rules are whatever NASCAR wants whenever they want, with whatever driver they like or dislike... & they make the rules fit whatever NASCAR wants!!!

QUOTE "The biggest question mark right now is what goes on with [Biffle]," he said. "He clearly ran out of gas and I feel terrible for those guys. But if you can't maintain pace-car speed, then the guys that can finished ahead of you."

In addition, isn't this like restarts.... NASCAR tells the leader he cannot hold back but must maintain pace car speed at the restarts?

But now it is "reasonable" speeds according to NASCAR officials? WOW.. NASCAR changes like the wind. I wonder what stink will be blowing next week.

Last comment... And this could have been avoided if they had ran the last two laps GREEN-WHITE-CHECKERED in the first place... why call it with only two laps to go????

I do NOT believe in conspiracies, BUT, sure looks like NASCAR was doing everything they could to make the winner.... late caution, calling the race, then this?

Answer 1

How's this........? Go ahead and put Biff back to 5th, 6th, wherever he crossed the line. NOW........go put Jimmie Johnson at the tail end of the lead lap cars for passing under the yellow. He passed Boyer AND Biffle. It does not matter that he gave the spot back, he passed someone, on the track, under yellow. Period. End of story. If NASCAR had decided that jimmy was right, jimmie would have had to be punished as well. If you speed down pit road, can you ask to give your spot back if you let the cars you passed while speeding back in front of you? NO. Why should this be any different? Jimmie should be glad NASCAR froze the field.

Answer 2

He didn't win the race. But whatever. I still don't understand why they had a yellow/white/checkered. If they ran those 2 laps why couldnt they of run a green/white/checkered. Its the same amount of laps. If they would of run this there would of been a different leader and winner. So pretty much Nascar gave Biffle the race. The only reason I think he won is because you cant pass anyone under caution. Like I said whatever, the race is over and next week is another race and there will be another winner. Maybe Biffle will have karma and something will happen to him and he wont be able to have a good finish (like running out of gas with 2 laps to go)

Answer 3

I find it funny that this race even continued to the point it did. When they had the Red Flag rain delay. The rule book says 60 minutes is allowable for a rain delay. Hmm I recall them starting that race after 2 hours. So that is an example of Nascar enforcing the rules how they want to & when they want to.

The Nascar rule book is written in disappearing ink, that appears and disappears at the will of Nascar. And the glowing disclaimer at the end. All judgements of Nascar are FINAL....which tells me it's their way or the highway.

Also there was an response on here about Jimmie passing under caution, and he should be penalized he did not....watch the clip:

http://dynamic.nascar.com/video/meta/cup/2007/09/30/cup.kan.final.nascar/video.ws.asx

The video shows he sped up only so Boyer could drop down to avoid the very SLOW #38 car and then he slowed and gave position back to Boyer. Which is not a rule infraction. to pass under caution and keep the position is the RULE violation but of course we all know how that can play out in the world of Nascar.

Answer 4

don't watch the chase races at cookie cutter tracks but I seen the end on the news or something and there was no way in this world that NASCAR should give that race to Biffle or anyone that was following him and slowed down with him. I think it was JJ that ended up passing Boyer who slowed down too and took the lead in my view won the race Boyer should be sent to the back for passing a car under the yellow flag. I don't care for JJ either but that is the way I seen it.
NASCAR blew this one good!!
I'm sure NASCAR will make a new rule up today to make some happy.
I could care less about NASCAR until they get rid of the chase, top35, and green white checker after the scheduled distance of a race.

Answer 5

Again everyone is stating these Nascar rules in the question and in the answers!
The real question is where is this so called Nascar rule book that everyone is getting the above information from?
To answer your question, I think Biffle did win because the field was frozen at the time of caution!
That's only my opinion, I don't know where to look at these rules your talking about!!!

Answer 6

NASCAR makes the rules up as they go along. I am not a clint bowyer fan but he deserved to win the race. NASCAR states you must maintain pace car speed and cross the start finish line. NASCAR made the opposite ruling when Robby Gordon was spun at Montreal. They said he didnt maintain track speed so he went back to 11th or whatever. NASCAR manipulates the races, im begining to think tony was right NASCAR is more like WWE.

Answer 7

I believe that Nascar has never even considered this happening before until now. I think they will stick with the rule that was in place now (the field was frozen by the caution).

I feel like you will hear in the near future a rule that applies to this situation. Maybe a rule that goes along with what you are saying. It doesn't seem right but this case was extremely unique.

I guess to put it short the race was called by a caution and they used the positioning points around the track (and not the finish line) to determine who was where.

It suggs not knowing what the rules are in advance. Causes a lot of confusion.

Answer 8

If you put biffle in second or third for not maintaining speed and letting cars pass him than you have to put the cars that pass him to the back of the pack for passing a car under caution. They disobeyed nascar too. And than biffle is right back in the front did you ever think about that. He wins eigther way. Its just whether the cars behind him get to keep there spot.

Answer 9

Well first off i don't like JJ, but as for passing under the yellow line that only matters at super speedways, like Daytona, and Talladega. Now here is my question if it was the middle of the race would the Biff been first, of course not he would have fell way back to get around to the pits so what is the difference from the middle to the end of the race the field is still frozen, he ran out of gas and he should have finished 5th or 6th not first.

Answer 10

I agree with ye. I have been watching NASCAR loyally for over 10 years until this season. I am convinced that the races are rigged and it is now the equivalent of the WWE on wheels. It is just for entertainment and a spectacle. The same 5-8 drivers win time after time. They are all a bunch of whining sponsor whores who care more about their trophy wives and the soap opera that is Nascar racing now than they do about actual hardcore racing. This incident on Sunday just adds more fuel to that fire.