Visa overstayers effect on economy?

Question

I'm doing a paper on the effects of illegal immigration on economy, but everywhere I search I usually get the effects of people who get into the country illegally, not the visa overstayers. Can you give either a link to a website or a detailed explanation of the effect of visa overstayers on the econonmy, thanks.

Toe_Crap, the reason for which they might have a different effect on the economy is, for one, they undergo medical screening unlike illegals who crossed the border, thereby not bringing in chronic diseases along with them, two, they are usually more educated so perhaps they take on different jobs than their Latin American neighbors

Smart_azz, thanks for the personal story, and the links. I already used one of those but didn't find the other one, so you've been a great help

Answer 1

Approximately 40% of all illegals in this country are those who have over-stayed their visa's. In reality, they do contribute to the economic drain on this country, but not as much as the border hoppers. For example, my wife over-stayed her visa, she came in legally using the B2 visa...but then she decided to stay once she saw the oppurtunity to work here was much better. (she was a english teacher in Brazil) Those who come in and over-stay are generally more educated than those who just cross illegally. (my wife for one is educated) But living here in the miami area I have seen the same thing. One of the other differences with over-stayers is that although they are illegal, they are not completely undocumented...as most had to have interviews to come into this country. My wife is now totally legal now and about to get her citizenship and has been a blessing to me. I am fortunate. However I am very much against illegal immigration and have learned much about it since I moved here to southern florida.

Here are some links for you:

http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/news/nationworld/article_1087193.php

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http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0205/p01s03-usju.html

Answer 2

If someone is here in the US on a work visa (H1B) for example they have three years, it can be renewed if the US employer is willing to sponsor them for another three years. Giving them a total of six years. In that time the US employer can sponsor the green card for the employee and his family, if it was in the original offer and if it is there policy within the company.

However, if a US company does NOT sponsor a green card and some companies do not due to the expense involved. They are required to return the employee and his/her family back to their home country, it is part of the visa application requirements. So in theory, you would not get someone over staying their visa.

This is where the problems start to occur when the visa runs out, many visa holders continue to work, as they have LEGAL SSN, they are still paying into the system to their own SSN. And most companies don't ask if you are on a visa, unless you tell them you are a visa holder, as you have your own SSN.

Most international companies will have a contract with the visa holder and a end date of contract on it. So that is when their employment is terminated, when their visa expires.

Another problem occures in many meduim/large companies who have a high turnover of human resources staff and many staff members are not up to date or have little or no knowledge of international workers and visa/green cards requirements for the employees, so they do know what to do or how to handle applications for visas etc and the deadlines involved.

As a immigrant one should always use a good immigration lawyer and if possible learn the process that you are going through, so you know what forms and when they need to be sent in.

But yes there are visa overstayers, really immigration needs to follow through as they know where they work, where they live, throught the paperwork on file. So, they have all the information needed to deal with the situation.

In essence they are illegal, even if they are using a valid SSN, they have overstayed their visa.

Answer 3

Overstayers are not as much of a burden but they do have the same depressing effect on wages as the border hoppers. They tend to undercut Americans and thereby lower wages for all. The difference is the overstayers are depressing the wages of the upper and middle class.

Answer 4

Tell your teacher that all economic arguments against immigration both legal and illegal are false. Tell your teacher that xenophobia is the only reason immigration is restricted: to stop the face, culture, and language of a country from changing too fast.

You don't need a specific study of the effect of "visa overstayers" on the economy; rather, you should study any economics book explaining why trade barriers of any kind hurts productivity. In theory, free trade applies to labor as well.

Free trade is hard for most people to understand, so use extrapolation to explain it in your paper. If trade barriers are good, then why not have more of them? Start off stopping trade between all states in America. Then stop all trade between different cities in each state. Then use rivers to stop all trade between the the north and south or between the east and west side of each city. You could then stop all trade between all communities.

By extrapolating, you approach a point of absurdity, which proves that trade barriers, including immigration barriers, hurt the economy overall.

Mamapeapod: For someone who gave me a thumbs down, you are way off topic. You didn't explain the effect of "visa overstayers" on the economy. Use the fundamentals of economics like me and then resubmit.

Why do I have 3 thumbs down? Yes, the illegals cost the government money in public services, but we all are supposed to cost the government in public services. Migration leads to higher productivity, and it's higher productivity that pays for more public services. What about all the money the government would save if there was nobody in America. lol

Answer 5

These people are not stupid and are not ignorant. Instead, they deserve our sympathy. I have 2 arguments which prove your opinion of these people is morally corrupt. First, you should not treat illegal immigrants as if they could leave if they wanted to. There are many of them in the US who are as socially and financially involved as you are-- America is their home now. Many of them have married citizens and have children who are also citizens. Now, though illegals have no "right" to be here, "rights" do not dictate what the government has a moral obligation to do in these complicated situations. THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR TEARING FAMILIES APART. Second, there is no reason to deprive this one specific group, illegal immigrants, of rights that even the worst citizens have. An excellent example of these citizens is rapists. The constitution guarantees even the worst rapists a fair and speedy trial, freedom from cruel or unusual punishment, and far more rights. Think about this for a minute. The Founding Fathers intended that, even in the scenario that a man who raped and killed dozens of women was arrested, he would still be protected by the constitution! WHY THE HELL would the Founding Fathers keep illegal immigrants from getting the same rights as thieves, kleptomaniacs, drug dealers, cop killers, gangsters, and murderers? THEY WOULDN'T! P.S. Even if you still think I am wrong about the constitution, there ARE international standards for the treatment of illegal immigrants. Hence, your statement that "They have no rights" is patently false.

Answer 6

They are illegal aliens also. Why would the effect on the economy be any different?? They are not citizens, they are not legal immigrants.

They will drain the economy the same. The main difference is how they got here. It may be perceived as less of a crime because at one time they were here legally, but the net effect on our economy is the same.

Did you try doing a google search for the information you need?

Answer 7

no effect they are just illegal people but there arent as many as the ones that crossed the border illegaly

Answer 8

"Visa overstayers", as you euphamistically put, are criminals. Study the effect that criminals have on the economy and you're all set.

Answer 9

They all fall under the same category. Illegal.There isn't anything that sorts out the 2.