Do you want undeniable proof of God's existence to put an end to all the stupid atheistic arguments? I have it

Question

Proof of God's existence:

1)Discoveries in astronomy have shown beyond a reasonable doubt that the universe did, in fact, have a beginning. There was a single moment of creation.

2)Biochemists and mathematicians have calculated the odds against life arising from non-life naturally via unintelligent processes. The odds are astronomical. In fact, scientists aren't even sure if life could have evolved naturally via unintelligent processes. If life did not arise by chance, how did it arise?

3)The universe is ordered by natural laws. Where did these laws come from and what purpose do they serve?

4)Philosophers agree that a transcendent Law Giver is the only plausible explanation for an objective moral standard. So, ask yourself if you believe in right and wrong and then ask yourself why. Who gave you your conscience? Why does it exist?

5)And then there's the obvious: The bible is God's word. Enough said.


I am expecting lots of repenting atheists now.

I wouldn't expect you atheists to admit to your errors of belief online in front of your atheist friends. You have to save face. You will repent privately at first, but eventually you have to stop being ashamed of God and let everyone know how much you really do love God.

Answer 1

1) Yah it's called the Big Bang
2) Life is about to created in a lab sooner or later so it's possible
3) Big Bang
4) Altruism promotes survival, this means that morality is just common sense for the survival of our species
5) The Bible has so many contradictions, scientific fallacies and unjustified cruelties it's obvious that God had nothing to with it being written

Answer 2

LOLz
1) That's how y'all do it - you lie.
The way I figure it is that the universe has no beginning or end - it constantly expands and contracts. Just because you can not conceive of something not having a beginning or an end does not mean it is not so.
It looks like there are quite a number of things you don't know.

2) You continue to lie OR you use the words of a coupla fundie biochemists and mathematicians and call it truth and stop looking.
Just because you or I don't know the answer doesn't mean that GODDIDIT.
IF you and people like you had your way NO discoveries woulda been made. You'd still be in a cave WITHOUT a fire (cos fire is so mysterious) wishing the gods in the sky would stop fighting and making all that thunder.

3) You misunderstand physics. Even in chaos there is order. No one 'had to make the laws'.
You just can't understand so many things you think the invisible man in the sky did everything … just for you.

4) You will get some philosophers to agree on anything - even lotsa xians 'believe in' stuff but it doesn't make it true.
I'll tell you how easy law making is.
A buncha people come together and agree to some rules - the first one they agree to is: don't mess with me and I won't mess with you.
Then it goes on about protecting stuff and life.
See how easy it is - and your imaginary friend was not involved.

5) The bible (aka Goat Herders' Guide to the Galaxy) is god's word ... because it says so in the GHGG and therefore it must be true.
That's called circular logic and why am I surprised you used it?

Jeez, that was easy and I’m not even very smart.
How easy would it be for a smart bloke to flick off those childish points.

[edit]
"but eventually you have to stop being ashamed of God and let everyone know how much you really do love God."
Gods do not exist.
You just don't get it do you?

Anyway, how do you love a critter that threatens you with hell if you don't suck up to 'him'?
That is NOT love, mate; that right there is FEAR.
.

Answer 3

Those were all good arguments except the 5th one. So good job on 4/5. Using something only Christians see as valid as evidence won't help persuade anyone who isn't a Christian.
Anyway, despite how intimidating and impressive those arguments are, they're simply following the classic and most successful debate strategy: State facts that could or could not support your position and act like they do.
1) Scientists have been wrong a million times for millions of years. They could be wrong. But sure, they're probably right, but even then that doesn't support creationism over any other theory.
2) The second argument always sounds great until you wonder 'Well what are the odds of life arising from an intelligent being?' Probably even less. I don't know the answers, but I know that creationism isn't it.
3) These laws come from nature... Gravity is considered a natural law. It happens because of ratios of mass and speed and blah blah blah. Science gives reasons to these natural laws that make sense. Saying God did it is an empty argument.
4) Philosophers do not agree that a transcendent Law Giver is the only plausible explanation for morals. All philosophy is is a bunch of intelligent men saying the other intelligent men are wrong and stupid over and over. Some philosophers say what you said they do, sure, but there are just as many who don't. Morals are learned by human nature. The do unto others rule comes from mankind. A man can beat another man to a pulp and feel fine, but then when he is beaten to a pulp himself he'll feel guilt for what he's done. You learn morals through experience and intelligence. God has nothing to do with it.
5) I already explained the problem with this but: No, it probably isn't. Do some historical studying, please. Stories incredibly similar to the Bible's have been written before the Bible, and the Bible's been written in a million places over a long long time period.
Please just live and let live. It's really frustrating being an intelligent freethinker who just wants to live a good life when you get called stupid and full of sin all the time by people who've never once questioned why they believe in something (especially when chances are they only do because they were told to at a young age).

Answer 4

I doubt it - but I suspect as science progresses the "god of the gaps" will have less and less space. Regarding the matter/energy situation. You are right - we already know that they cannot be created or destroyed by any process known to physics. It's therefore highly likely that all the matter that currently exists always has done in some form or another. No creator is therefore required. And atheists don't say there is an explanation - just that science is working on it. In the meantime we don't know. Is this not a more honest, rational approach than "I already know. GODDIDIT" - without any reason or justification?

Answer 5

1) well no, actually. the universe came into its present form a finite amount of time ago - but it's not known whether or not that was a true origin. if it was a creation, where's the creator?

2) other biochemists and mathematicians, who are not religiously motivated to lie about science, have come to other conclusions. suggest you read 'chance and necessity' by monod.

3) i don't know. these laws appear to be fundamental. your ability to ask unanswerable questions is not proof of anything.

4) what objective moral standard? my parents and society at large imparted certain moral values. my conscience, i suspect, evolved. but there is nothing objective about it.

5) i notice that it's so obvious, you didn't even try to prove it.

summary: this is weak sauce.

"I wouldn't expect you atheists to admit to your errors of belief online in front of your atheist friends. You have to save face. You will repent privately at first, but eventually you have to stop being ashamed of God and let everyone know how much you really do love God."

oh, that's cute. you really think your stuff is persuasive don't you? i just wanna give you a great big hug...

Answer 6

1) It's called the Big Bang...the expansion of matter and space from a singularity.

2) False. One cannot calculate odds for anything without a baseline. There is no baseline for calculating the "probability" of life forming.

3) The "natural laws" do not serve a purpose other than to describe natural phenomenoa. To assume an intelligence behind these laws is speculation without basis.

4) False. I have yet to hear philosiphers generally agree on anything. We were taught "right and wrong" by our parents, who were taught by their parents, who were taught by their parents, who were taught...

5) Prove that there is a god, that it has any intentions at all towards us, that it desires to communicate with us, that it has communicated with us, and that your Bible (and not other religious works) is that communication. Good luck.

Answer 7

First of all, I'm not an Atheist, but I'll address your points.

1. I'd like a reference to this

2. Just because something has low odds doesn't make it impossible. What are these calculations based off of? We don't know how much time this had to happen in-wouldn't that affect the chances either way?

3. The laws of nature don't serve a thought out purpose- they are just the blending of all natural processes of everything and how they correspond.

4. There is no objective moral standard. The world isn't black and white. Obviously most people agree with war these days. People think murder is okay in some instances, and that is probably the worst offense a life-appreciating being can commit. Not black and white at all.

5. No, that's your belief- that's not proof.

Answer 8

1. Yes, it's called the big bang, and with new findings in super string theory, it is no longer a singularity, there are potentially infinite "universes" generated.

2. I've heard this stated, but no reference to the actual paper. Given an infinite number of "universes" it's infinitely probable that there are many universes that have life.

3. Natural laws don't indicated a Divine Being.

4. Actually there is a lot if evidence in social animals and in genetics that our "morality" is largely based in evolution and in survival.

5. There is no evidence for the Bible other than locations and peoples. Many fiction books have the same amount of evidence.

Objective evidence will be evalutated, but stuff like this doesn't stack up.

Answer 9

You know, every time someone claims that they have proof of God, I excitedly look at what they have to say, because above all else, I want to know the truth about all there is to know in the universe. This means, if there is a God, I want to know about it.
Yet, every time someone claims to have proof that there is a God, this is what we get. A lot of "we don't have an explanation as to how this happened, so that's proof that God did it."

Answer 10

It doesn't do any good. Their superior minds have it all figured out. It'll give 'em something to do, too, when we are in heaven rejoicing with the angels. Still sitting there, going, "Now wait! I carried the 2 and added a finite set of numbers...." and still they'll scoff. Only a turning point in their own lives can change their mind. At some point when they realize they cannot stand alone, and they will, they will cry out to our God. And you know what, of course you do; yes, God will answer.

Answer 11

Awww, man, I keep clicking on these "proof of god" questions and I get let down every time. When will I learn....

Point 1 is your best point, but you seem to have misunderstood the science. The origin of the universe is not actually proved beyond any doubt.

Your other points have been dealt with by other answerers, and as for Point 5, it's a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of an English translation of a Latin translation of a Greek translation of a Hebrew translation of an oral history handed down over forty generations. No grad student historian would rely on it as his/her sole source or reference.

Sorry. But do keep trying.