Is this why atheists win arguments?

Question

because belief in God is based on subjective experiences and debate requires objective arguments?

Answer 1

objectivity is an illusion perpetuated by philosophical bullies

D

Answer 2

Atheists win arguments because it's much easier for them to stay real. As you say, belief in God is based on subjective experiences. To imagine their religious beliefs are genuine, believers are forced to accept a solipsistic viewpoint and to believe that their own subjective experiences are real. This immediately reveals the obvious weakness of the believer's argument -- it is not objectively real. Atheists, on the other hand, realize that the physical realm is the only objective reality. They know their perceptions are an illusion created by their own brains and that objective (physical) reality cannot be directly experienced. Being able to conceive of all of objective reality, without necessarily perceiving it with their own senses, gives atheists the distinct advantage of deeply understanding the true nature of objective reality.

Truth wins arguments far more often than superstition.

Answer 3

Yes up until now. But the God Yahweh has taught me how to now read and interpret enough of His scientific knowledge found only in the Bible, Torah and The Dead Sea Scrolls to now win any objective debate or argument atheists or any other person on the face of the planet care to have with me. Who wants to be the first to lose the next debate?

Answer 4

Life is ultimately a mystery to science - there are no real
arguments from an atheist standpoint.
The universe had a begining with no way
to prove scientifically how it came to be in
the first place. Atheists just assume things which
are just as "subjective."
God is a spiritual entity that you CAN
communicate with and knows you much better
than you know yourslef!
It is about a relationship, a spiritual connection,
not about scientific proof at all.
How can something natural prove something
supernatural - it is not possible anyway since it
is two different, speparate "spatial" realities!
There is only reflection of God in the natural
world.

"What IS real?"
Real is not just the natural realm, the spiritual realm
is even more real than the "real".

Answer 5

You make a good point and you are right.

Faith IS subjective. It cannot be proven emperically to fully satisfy an objective, scientific approach.

Only a very close-minded person cannot appreciate that what inspired belief in them will not work for everyone and they themselves cannot PROVE God to anyone.

I have been married to an agnostic for 30 years and the reason we get along just fine is because we do not enter into such arguements to begin with.

There are Christians in here though who are so bent on acquiring validation through converting others that they will continue to enter into those types of arguments instead of humbly saying,

"I honestly cannot prove ANYTHING to you. I believe because of MY OWN personal experiences. It works for me. I am happy and that is all that matters."

Answer 6

If that subjective experience is unrefutably duplicated, a million times over....bringing about the same changes, transformations and improvements in people across every possible cross section of society irrespective of class, background, socioeconomic status and race...

isnt that the equivalent of driving the ball to the hoop, leaping over three guys and JAMMING the rock in the face of 'objective' arguments?

Answer 7

Well completely ignoring the fanatics on either side of the issue that simply scream 'you're stupid and wrong for believing what you do', I think you're right.

I think it's also a matter of perspective. For example, if an athiest and a christian (just because they're the two most vocal groups here) were to see a rainbow, they'd both interpret it differently. An athiest might view it as a beautiful example of the physics of light and how lucky s/he is to be in the right spot at the right time to view it. A christian might view it as a wonderful expression of god's will. Each will go on their way and be happy at what they saw and satisfied with how they interpreted.

Answer 8

I actual don't understand even if atheists grant an outstanding sort of ways the international works. Atheism is the absence of a conception in god. it isn't an lively conception that god does no longer exists, anymore than you address an lively conception that pixies do not exist. it isn't a conception gadget, as such. for this reason it isn't a fashion of existence or a philosophy that you'll keep on with. some atheists will be sturdy human beings and grant sensible administration, others received't and may want to have each of the vices that some non secular leaders have. faith replaced right into a fashion of explaining our existence at a time even as as a human race we had little expertise of the actual international. we are leaning each of the time about the universe and now no longer want to reference each little thing to a paranormal being. it type of feels to me that your problem lies interior the actual incontrovertible truth that religions too in many circumstances adhere to teachings which at the on the spot are not from now on suitable and in worry-free words justified as being the interest of god or as lengthy-status tenets that only might want to be popular on faith. they received't flow on, even as you favor to. besides the undeniable fact that, no longer believing in a god does no longer make you a lesser individual, nor does it make you a foul individual. lots of those who do no longer have non secular faith do have the virtues that you probable appreciate, consisting of tolerance, charity, compassion, and so on. you does no longer lose those virtues in case you realised that believing in a god is wrong. i do no longer believe in a god and that i don't understand the answer to the international's ills, yet I do word that non secular faith does seem to reason human beings to do poor issues. Wars and suicide bombings are justified interior the call of religion. Torture and discrimination too. as far as i understand in present day circumstances, there are not any known killings between atheists interior the call of atheism.

Answer 9

Well, actually, no one on here can win or lose arguments, since this isn't a message board, its a question/answer board. Isn't there something that would explain to people what questions/answers are? Why do so many think its a debate board????

Answer 10

That is a biggie.

It's like trying to win an argument by saying that I heard a voice in my head or because I saw a Pink Elephant in my bedroom.

Answer 11

yeah most debates are based on proof. and being able to back up your point with facts. but you can't ever deny what someone feels. it's an apples and oranges argument. plus the people that want proof of the existence of God would most likely deny it if He came and smacked them upside their head. then they would have to change how they live and who wants to do that?