Trying to find out something All these years we were told mom was Violet Marie Irwin and now I find she is?

Question

Violet Marie Larsen born January 28,1929. And we were told she was born in Pierre South Dakota. Her mother was Edith Ellen Larsen her ID 3 on file was I02527, Born Feb.28,1908 in Gregory South Dakota.Edith's parents were Miles P. Irwin Born Dec.2,1868 in Iowa. Her mother was Myrtle Violet Palmer Born June 9,1887 in Nickerson, Nebraska. Marriage 1 Charles Erwin Wust Born 1909; Marriage 2.? Larsen we called an Uncle and he told us to leave it alone and stop Stirring up Trouble for the family. If It is my Mother I fell we have the right to know what the truth is just like anyone else does. Any HELP would be of great use. I have checked Ancestry.com and the Genealogy site and come up with a little but can't find anything on her Father or where she was born for sure.

Answer 1

Have you tried the census? You would be surprised what you find in the census.
Also try familysearch.org and rootsweb.com. you may find something there.

Answer 2

This certainly helps you understand why the old timers here always urge persons to find documentation, even about what you believe you "know".
1929 seems way way back to us now, but in fact, these are still often living persons. Thus, some of the info will be confidential. And, clearly, it is still an emotional issue for the Uncle. Things that don't bother us in the least, today, were scandals, family feuds and secrets to be kept.
Tread lightly with the immediate relatives, and use what you can. The census is obviously one of those things, marriage records will be another. SOME localities will have birth indexes, although that won't be the certificate itself.
I worked a friend's line, where "dad" was a railroad man who died. After digging, I found several records showing mom with her maiden (father's) name, well after baby was born, as well as her marriage record (again, maiden name) a few years later. It was clear that railroad man was a convenience. I tactfully wrote in the report that I was just "unable" to find the marriage record. I wasn't blatant about the reality that there was no marriage to be found.
I agree you have the right to facts, but I would still bake Uncle a cake and confine chats with him to baseball or something else.

Answer 3

1930 United States Federal Census
about Edith Irwin
Name: Edith Irwin
Home in 1930: Lake, Vernon, Missouri
Age: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1908
Birthplace: South Dakota
Relation to Head of House: Son-in-law

Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William G Ochs 41
Alice E Ochs 28
Leland E Ochs 6
Weller W Ochs 4
Andrew I Ochs 2 1/12
Edith Irwin 22
Violet M Irwin 1 2/12

1910 United States Federal Census
about Edith Irwin
Name: Edith Irwin
Age in 1910: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1908
Birthplace: South Dakota
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's name: Miles
Father's Birth Place: Iowa
Mother's name: Myrtle
Mother's Birth Place: Iowa
Home in 1910: Carlock, Gregory, South Dakota
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Miles Irwin 38
Myrtle Irwin 23
Edith Irwin 2
Silvia Irwin 5/12

1920 United States Federal Census
about Edith Irwin
Name: Edith Irwin
Home in 1920: Carlock, Gregory, South Dakota
Age: 11 years
Estimated birth year: abt 1909
Birthplace: South Dakota
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's name: Miles
Father's Birth Place: Iowa
Mother's name: Myrtle
Mother's Birth Place: Nebraska
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Female
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 216
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Miles Irwin 49
Myrtle Irwin 33
Edith Irwin 11
Sylvia Irwin 10
Gottie Irwin 8 2/12
Frances Irwin 5 2/12
Gage Irwin 3 3/12
Ethel Irwin 1 2/12

1930 United States Federal Census
about Violet M Irwin
Name: Violet M Irwin
Home in 1930: Lake, Vernon, Missouri
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1929
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's name: Edith



From the looks of this Edith MAIDEN name is Irwin That means Violet Marie Irwin was born out of wedlock! Violets father may very well be UNKNOWN!

I find it interesting that Edith is listed as a man/son-in law on the 1930 census and as Violet's "Father". The census taker may have only spoke to the head of house hold and not met the people he listed on the Census! There may have been a lie told to keep from having an "OFFICIAL" record of Edith having a child out of wedlock.

1930 United States Federal Census
about William G Ochs
Name: William G Ochs
Home in 1930: Lake, Vernon, Missouri
Age: 41
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Birthplace: Missouri
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Alice E
Race: White

I wonder if maybe Edith worked for the Och's, It would not be the first time a house hold servent became "with child" by the man of the house! And also how did Edith end up in Missouri? Could it be she was sent there by her family? Could the Ochs be related in some way to the Irwin's. I don't think that the Ochs are old enough to have a son old enought to marrie Edith and if they had both Edith's and Violets last name would be Ochs and not Irwin on the 1930 census!

I am thinking that Edith either changed her name to "Larsen" or married a "Larsen" and changed Edith's name. Back in the 1930's if you wanted to change your name you just moved to another town and started using another name.

I also found this but it is unsourced:
Name: Edith Ellen Irwin
Birth: 28 Feb 1908 - Gregory, South Dakota, USA
Death: 30 Sep 1992 - Smithfield, Illinois, USA
Marriage: 11 Jun 1930 - Nevada, Missouri, USA
Parents: Miles P Irwin, Myrtle Violet Palmer
Spouse: Charles Erwin Wust
http://www.ancestry.com/

I think you are dealing with family dirt that the family wants to keep under the carpet!

Answer 4

Great work, now enter your info

I John Doe was born in 1986, and my parents, I do not know who they were

That is the generation we have to-day.

But you canm find your family here

www.familysearch.org

Answer 5

Violet Larsen
Born: 1929

Died: 1996

Edith Ellen Irwin B: 28 Feb 1908
D: 30 Sep 1992


Larsen (no info available)
Born:
Died:
(This was given under his name as family relationships):

Edith Ellen Irwin
Born: 28 Feb 1908 in Gregory, [county], South Dakota, USA
Died: 30 Sep 1992 in Smithfield, [county], Illinois, USA
Marriage:
Children Sex Birth
Violet Larsen F 1929


Charles Erwin Wust
Born: 29 May 1909
Nevada, [county], Missouri, USA
Died: 27 Jan 1990
Canton, [county], Illinois

(Below listed under Charles name as family relationships)




Edith Ellen Irwin
Born: 28 Feb 1908 in Gregory, [county], South Dakota, USA
Died: 30 Sep 1992 in Smithfield, [county], Illinois, USA
Marriage: 11 Jun 1930 in Nevada, [county], Missouri, USA View Info
Children Sex Birth
Living Wust F
Living Wust M
Living Hansen F
Living Wust M
Living Wust F
Doris Wust F 1937




Myrtle Violet Palmer
B: 9 Jun 1887
D: 29 May 1942


Miles P Irwin
Born: 5 Dec 1868
[city], Marion, Iowa, USA
Died: 22 Jul 1929
Norfolk, Madison, Nebraska, USA (at least 4-5 generations before him are shown, too)




(Just for fun, I looked up some of your famous relatives:

Famous People related to Violet Larsen: 5 stars=very accurate info

4 *'s THOMAS MORE (1478-1535)--your 15th great-grandfather
English Writer
Thomas More coined the word "utopia" when he published a book by the same name. He was known as a humanist and was executed by King Henry VIII when he refused to recognize the King as the head of the Church of England.
Relationship: 15th Great Grandfather


3 *'s-- MARK TWAIN (1835-1910)
American Author
Samuel Langhorne Clemens thought of his pen name, "Mark Twain," while working on a riverboat. This humorist's works include Adventures of Tom Sawyer.
Relationship: 7th Cousin 1 times removed (through 6th GGrandma, Christian Worley ; 1727-1815, VA)


5 *'s-- GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH (1924-)
41st President of the United States of America
President George H.W. Bush is known for leading the U.N. coalition in the Gulf War. His presidency saw the fall of the Berlin Wall.
Relationship: 7th Cousin 2 times removed --through 8th GGrandma, Ann Pleasant, b. 1675 in VA)


4 *'s-- JOAN CRAWFORD (1905-1977)
American Actress
Lucille Fay LeSueur changed her name to Joan Crawford after a studio chief decided her name sounded too much like "sewer." Her big break came in the film Our Dancing Daughters, and Crawford is best known for her award winning role in the film Mildred Pierce.
Relationship: 7th Cousin 3 times removed --through 9th GGrandma, Francoise Jane Renault, 1607-1694,France)


5 *'s-- GEORGE WALKER BUSH (1946-)
43rd President of the United States of America
George W. Bush declared a global War on Terrorism and the overthrow of the Taliban. He also adopted the No Child Left Behind Act.
Relationship: 8th Cousin 1 times removed (see his Dad above)


4 *'s-- WILLIAM HOWARD TAFT (1857-1930)
27th President of the United States of America
Taft, serving first as President then as the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, is the only president to be the head of both the Executive and Judicial branches of government. He was the first president to be buried at Arlington National Cemetery.
Relationship: 7th Cousin 4 times removed through 10th GGrandfather, John Burton,( b.1632 in VA, d. 1690 in MA)


4 *'s-- ELVIS PRESLEY (1935-1977)
American Entertainer
Elvis Aaron Presley is often called "The King of Rock and Roll", or simply "The King". He starred in movies but is best known for his music which includes over 100 top 40 songs including "Blue Suede Shoes", "Hound Dog", "Love Me Tender", "Don't Be Cruel", and "Jailhouse Rock".
Relationship: 9th Cousin 1 times removed (MUST BE ROUGH!! LOL)--through 9th GGrandma, Ann Willis (1639-1667, England-->Mass)


5 *'s-- ELBRIDGE GERRY (1744-1814)
Massachusetts Representative
Eldbridge Gerry signed both the Declaration and the Articles of Confederation. He refused to sign the constitution until there was a Bill of Rights.
Relationship: 6th Cousin 8 times removed --through 13th GGrandfather, Henry Norreys (1525-1601, England)


4 *'s--ROBERT PENN WARREN (1905-1989)
American Poet and Novelist
Most famous for his Pulitzer Prize-winning novel All the King's Men, Robert Penn Warren has also won several prizes and awards (including other Pulitzer Prizes) for his poetry and other writings. He was the first U.S. Poet Laureate Consultant in Poetry to the Library of Congress.
Relationship: 8th Cousin 4 times removed --through 11th GGrandma, Katherine Christian (1580-1646, VA)


See, you DO have a family tree--at least 18 generations, if I counted right. :)

Answer 6

The innocent child (your mother) may have been a product of rape or incest, and the other family members don't care to have you know what went on (stirring up trouble for the family).

Answer 7

Lots of name changes for different reasons; sound like a skeleton in your family's closet.
Have you heard of the ethnic fellow(no racist jokes here!) who couldn't afford a personalized number plate(license plate) for his car, so he changed his name by deed poll to FSQ289.

Answer 8

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ancestorsearchresults.asp

check out this link.. at the bottom of the page there is a name of who submitted hte info u can always contact them and see if they know anything else