please read the fallowing and explain how much would The DREAM ACT cost to the so suffered USA tax payers ???

Question

==> According to the US Department of Commerce, a high school graduate earns $1.2 million in a 40-year span compared to $2.1 million for a person with a Bachelor’s degree. A person with a master’s degree has an average earning of $2.5 million in a 40-year span. iii

==> Therefore, a single person with a bachelor’s degree who earns an average $60,000 of taxable income will contribute $11,564 to taxes and welfare annually; in a 40-year span he/she will have contributed $462,560. iv

The DREAM Act will improve national security by alleviating the recruitment shortages to the armed forces.

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http://dreamacttexas.blogspot.com/2007_08_01_archive.html

==> Experts estimate that America will need 5%, or 15.6 million, more workers by 2015 to maintain the current ratio of workers to the total population.

um so far nobody has answered how much it would cost the soooooooooo suffered Tax payers waaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa should i assume all agree it would not cost a cent ( cero ) but that it would become a profit instead :P keep ur answers coming .

u guys are awesome . wink *

did somebody said 1000 ??? did somebody said 1000 and 1 ??? did anybody said 10 000 ??? ummmmmmmmm no ???? well did somebody said cero ???? keep them coming , how much is it u guys ??

i would like to make clear that i am here the one making the questions, thank u very much :P

stone when i see to the past i see peoplen in the present who are already paying those taxes , wehn i see to the future i see to the statics which say the Americans are living longer , this aplies too to them because that its the result of living in America so yes i expect most of them to live more than 40 years . by the way in the past the number was not that big jsut as it isn't today , i believe today they are less than 6 percent ( the undocumented ) but that would be a number i need to check still i almost sure of it .

Answer 1

I have not seen one anti answer your question, on the dollar figure the Dream act is going to cost them in tax dollars, Even their number one person. Talked all around the question but failed to answer it. They keep pulling these Trillion dollar figure out of thin air of the cost of the Undocumented but fail to show any creditable sources to back up those figures.( again creditable source)

Answer 2

It's not the money that I see in this issue. Frankly if we open up more H1B slots , it would have the same affect. Like other issue around illegal immigration, it's a decision of what kind of society we want to be. I want a society where people who follow the rules and jump the right hoops are more likely to succeed than those who don't. THat is one of the reason why I am against illegal immigrants. The Children on the otehr hand is a different story. They did not consciously break any law, and they are being punished for what their parents did. Despite the losses, I am willing to allow them to stay, because I see it as being humane. I am oncern of several things. It is a means to increase our troop size. I'm not fond of that. Second, it helps the parents to come in. I am willing to see through these flaws, but the person behind the current bill put a lot of extra's on the bill that makes me very fearful of it. Granted that he changed some of the language on it but with some of the stunts he tried to pull, I would not trust anything written from him. I would like to see a more moderate individual rewrite the bill and see it passed.


PS, outsourcing would easily take care of the worker shortage and study show we have too many people working in this country.

Answer 3

It only becomes a profit if those that are going to use the dream act funds to get their dreams in. And only after they graduate. How many years have they and people just like them used up our school funding resources already for their education then and to date? And they'll still be using our resources to put them through college. So your figures for the "future projection" still hasn't even begin to cover all the State and Federal funding used to educate them all in the first place. So where's your projection for the funding from the past? Don't forget to account for all the State funds cuts that were made to other agencies to keep the schools somewhat funded to educate the illegal children. As well the Federal funds that were cut back on as well.

Seems to me your the waaaaaa waaaaaaa. Because you think that some BLOG will convince us tax payers to keep giving in to anything and everything you want. Well too bad this time is my answer.

One more thing. Not everyone of them who take advantage of us taxpayers for the um-teenth time will live another 40 years for your BLOGS projection. Or have you not counted on fatal accidents that they may or would be involved in. If not a fatal accident, then a vegetable state due to a head injury. or some other disability. Why doesn't your BLOG include that information if it's so reliable?

Answer 4

I'm a democratic socialist, and I don't actually say this. the liberals I know personally used to make the case that illegal immigration was cost-free, but I don't hear them saying it much today. In defense of immigration (both legal & illegal), I do think a case can be made that by boosting US population growth -- at a grave risk to the environment -- legal & illegal immigrants are probably going to make the US social security system more viable in the long run. Social Security is only an insurance program in theory; in fact it operates as a system of transfer payments, and the fact that the Baby Boom generation is much larger than "Gen X" has some experts terrified that the system will go into crisis when the Baby Boomers all retire, with a smaller base of working people paying into the system who can help pay for their retirement. By swelling the US workforce with immigrants legal & illegal, however, American society is essentially recruiting the extra workers needed to pay for the Baby Boomer's retirement. There are a lot of costs to immigration, too, and as a democratic socialist I don't like what immigration always does to US politics. Whether or not it's moral or immoral, it always inspires a bitter anti-immigrant backlash among "nativist" working people born in this country, and that nearly always pushes US politicsl to the right -- or in some bases, it pushes politics towards the racist right among native-born workers, but to the left among the newer immigrants. That kind of political split among the working people of this country, I think, helps to keeps most of us weak, divided & unable to fight for our interests effectively against the organized power of the corporations. That's why the Wall Street Journal editorial page usually praises immgiration, andit's why I'm mostly against it, although I like individual immigrants & sympathize with their struggles. But if new immigrants help the US to preserve a decent Social Security system, maybe the game is worth the candle -- even for American working people. Don't know.

Answer 5

“According to the US Department of Commerce, a high school graduate earns $1.2 million in a 40-year span compared to $2.1 million for a person with a Bachelor’s degree. A person with a master’s degree has an average earning of $2.5 million in a 40-year span”

And the Dream Act changes this how? It’s true, the difference is we, the tax payers will end up paying for the education for the illegal alien.

“Therefore, a single person with a bachelor’s degree who earns an average $60,000 of taxable income will contribute $11,564 to taxes and welfare annually; in a 40-year span he/she will have contributed $462,560. iv”

Again what’s the point, it’s true a college graduate will pay more in taxes over their life. Why should we let people who have already shown they don’t care about our laws stay here? Wouldn’t it be better to let those who are trying to enter the country legally, have those options instead of the law breakers?

“The DREAM Act will improve national security by alleviating the recruitment shortages to the armed forces.”

So would letting the people who have waited, and waited to come in legally, if we gave them that same option.

“Experts estimate that America will need 5%, or 15.6 million, more workers by 2015 to maintain the current ratio of workers to the total population.:”

Again we can let those who are following to rules have the break and make up the difference in LEGAL immigration.

There is NO reason to REWARD those who refuse to follow the law.

Why do you wish to reward those who won’t follow the law? If I break the law, do I get a reward? No, there are consequences for my action, whether it’s jail time or a fine, why do we wish to make any exception for illegal aliens? All the problems you stated can easily be solved with allowing those people who are following the law enter the country. Real immigrants, you know the people who have followed the law, followed the rules. People who we know don’t have a criminal record.

Can you tell me, you want to reward lawbreakers?

Now you wanted an estimated cost? Here you go about $48,000 per person. Not counting the benefits they would receive from the US government, not counting the chain migration costs.

But the point is you want to reward lawbreakers.


I’m going to bet you won’t answer me.

Answer 6

Those promoting the DREAM act try to play on the sympathies of the American people by saying that these children were brought here by their parents and are not to blame. These parents will be rewarded for their lawbreaking, if the DREAM act passes, by having their children put on “a path to citizenship”. They will then be able to sponsor their own illegal alien parents and other family members. It is a cynical play on the citizens’ sympathies to get through their kids what they could not get otherwise.

As there is no upper age limit in the bill, any illegal alien can claim they came here under the stipulated age of sixteen. However, Kris Kobach, in a Heritage Foundation Backgrounder of September 13, 2007, stated that “a 45 year old can claim that he illegally entered the United States 30 years ago at the age of 15”. As proof of the claim that they were under the age of 16 when they sneaked across the border, all they need to do is sign an affidavit.

To give the illegal alien every benefit possible, the framers of this act also included the stipulation that once an illegal files an application, he/she cannot be deported. Voila……instant amnesty. It’s a DREAM come true!

People, we need to stay on top of our Senators and Congressman, and let them know that piecemeal amnesty is just as unacceptable as “comprehensive immigration reform.”
Does this not mean US government and State schools will give better opportunities to criminal aliens than to our own children that may not be able to afford college in their home state?


To these figures below keep in mind that worker wages in California are 12% higher than the national average as per the department of labor. A student paying less tuition and working in a state where he has more total money to go around.

California State Universities
$3,284 in-state - AFTER WAGE COVERSION ($2889.92)

SUNY New York
$4,350

Michigan State Universities (does any state have more need?)
$7,600 in-state

Ohio State Universities
$8,430 in-state <>

Students in states of the midwest and eastern states pay what is equal to out of state costs in their own state. These student could use the benefit of lower cost college more than criminals.

Answer 7

I'm not sure I understand your question, but as far as the dreamact and citizenship thing goes, the French Foreign Legion has been doing that for years. It works.
Also, the pool of available workers is a function of the total population. As the population increases, so does the number of available workers. There is no fixed ratio of X workers for every Y population. Automation and changes is consumption preferences are always altering this ratio.

Answer 8

There are a limited amount of grants and university seats. They are given out on the basis of poverty and diversity preferences. Those who get them under this plan will displace others who won't get them. Those earning the sums you mention would just be different people - not our people.

My main problem with this act is the waivers that would let in those who flunk moral character and criminal record requirements, due to 'family unity' or 'humanitarian' grounds, and the fact that it would let them petition for parents who brought them illegally. It is being billed as only helping the bright high school student on the verge of going to college, but that is dishonest. It is being used to drive as much of the illegally present population in as possible.

I think the point of the debate is to reduce the burden of over-quota immigration on citizens by providing more funding and services to make up what is being used, and to reduce future immigration until schools and services catch up. This doesn't even provide funding and infrastructure to cover the new students, it would just say they have to fight it out with our own kids for the existing assets.

The priority is wrong.

A limited dream act only for high school graduates going to college, under age 25, and with NO WAIVERS of existing immigration law legalization categories I would support, but not this one.

Answer 9

i juat say this there is billions of dollars flying around from illegals who are scared to do their taxes why not use this money that was sent to madicare social security and etc for the dream act search this and you will find out??
peple say illegals dont pay taxes but what is all thismoney comeing from ???? think and yeah i like ur question i gave you a star!

Answer 10

So, why don't we do away with in and out of state tuition?

Nice twist of numbers.

How about how many TRILLIONS of dollars that the illegal aliens costs the US each year in Health and teaching costs? Did you see that San Diego county wants a million a year to pay for the costs that illegal aliens cost the county? Proof positive about the dollar value I gave.