Question about abrogated verses again? How do you know what verses in the Koran are abrogated?

Question

I asked this and received only 2 answers so far. I am grateful to those two for the examples provided. It seems that later verses can abrogate earlier ones, example of Medina coming after Mecca revelations was used. But since the Koran is not in chronological order (at least that is my understanding), how do you know what verses came first? Do you have to rely on hadiths to figure out the timeline? Is there a reliable, written work that lays out abrogated verses?

Thank you for your help.

Staceyflower - I think Americans know how to use a dictionary if they are not sure of the meaning of a word. But let's clarify just to make sure. To abolish by authoritative action : ANNUL
2 : to treat as nonexistent
synonym see NULLIFY

In Sura 2:100 the Qu'ran teaches, "And for whatever verse We abrogate or cast into oblivion, We bring a better or the like of it; knowest thou not that God is powerful over everything?"

Does that work for you?

CB4UP - Actually I believe everyone should know if something has changed. How are we to know if a verse quoted to us has been annulled by another? And Yes I want to know the laws because there are people actively pushing to have Shariah Law in place.

Answer 1

The Satanic Verses
Few books have had the publicity that surrounds The Satanic Verses by Salman Rushdie. This brief article seeks to provide some background material for the book's title and for reasons why even the title might disturb Muslims.

Islam strongly opposes idolatry, polytheism, associating anything or anyone with God. In fact, Islam's creed in Arabic begins with a negative: Not is there a god except God. It contrasts sharply with the contention of Muhammad's Arab contemporaries that God had associates. Some of these associates are even mentioned in the Qur'an, among them three female deities: al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat. Each had a shrine in separate places not far from Mecca in Arabia, where Muhammad was born and began his mission. They were even considered to be daughters of God!

The Qur'an, as it now reads, obviously rejects these deities. But—and here comes the issue—did the Qur'an and Muhammad always reject them?

While Muhammad was in Mecca, his followers were few, his movement grew painfully slowly and he, too, felt the pain of estrangement from his tribe. According to early and treasured biographical and historical accounts of Muhammad, authored by competent Muslim scholars (such as writings of at-Tabari and Ibn Sa’d), Muhammad longed for better relations and reconciliation with his community. Thereafter, the accounts continue, God revealed Surah 53 to Muhammad up to and including vss. 19, 20. These two verses read:

Have ye thought upon al-Lat and al-Uzza
And Manat, the third, the other? (53:19,20)

Then, originally, the verses (known today as the satanic verses) followed:

These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries)
Whose intercession is to be hoped for.

The cranes whose intercession was recognized were, of course, the three deities. The same accounts tell us that after this revelation was completed, Muhammad, his followers and the pagan Arabs all prostrated. Tensions eased, reconciliation was at hand, and all were delighted.

But Muhammad soon retracted the reconciliation—how soon is not clear. For the account continues that Jibril (Gabriel), the angel of revelation, informed Muhammad that Satan had used Muhammad's desire for reconciliation with the pagan leaders to insert into the revelation of God the verses about the interceding cranes, otherwise called "the satanic verses". The verses which follow, not the satanic verses, serve as the proper sequence to 53:19,20 (above):

Are yours the males and His the females?
That indeed were an unfair division! (53:21,22)

In other words: When you Arabs have sons (whom you prefer to daughters!), how unfair of you to say that God has daughters! The idea of a plurality of gods or goddesses or sons or daughters of God is ridiculous. God alone is God. The three goddesses are false.

Two other passages from the Qur'an are considered to have reference to the compromise between Muhammad and the Arabs, and Muhammad's eventual rejection of it. The first reads:

And they indeed strove to beguile thee (Muhammad) away from that wherewith We (God) have inspired thee, that thou shouldst invent other than it against Us; and then would they have accepted thee as a friend.
And if We had not made thee wholly firm thou mightest almost have inclined unto them a little.
Then had We made thee taste a double (punishment) of living and a double (punishment) of dying, then hadst thou found no helper against Us. (17:73-75)

The second passage is intended to comfort Muhammad:

Never sent We a messenger or a prophet before thee but when He recited (the message) Satan proposed (opposition) in respect of that which he recited thereof. But Allah abolisheth that which Satan proposeth. Then Allah establisheth His revelations. Allah is Knower, Wise;
That He may make that which the devil proposeth a temptation for those in whose hearts is a disease, and those whose hearts are hardened –Lo! the evil-doers are in open schism. (22:52,53)

On the basis of these verses especially, the contemporary designation "The Satanic Verses" arises.

It is not our intention here to defend Rushdie and his book. On the other hand, it is clear that Rushdie did not invent the satanic verses. Moreover, it would seem that Muslims of earlier generations were content to accept that satanic verses could somehow be insinuated into a prophet's message from God, even into the Qur'an, that God could abolish the satanic verses, and that, as the following passage suggests, God could replace even a verse of His own revelation with a similar or better verse of His own:

Such of Our revelations as We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring (in place) one better or the like thereof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things? (2:106 cf. 16:101)

In fact, Islamic theologians of earlier ages carefully sorted out which Quranic passages were abrogating and which were abrogated.

Today, many Muslims deny that God could abrogate or change His Word in any way or form. Ironically, they sometimes interpret Qur'an 2:106 (above) to mean that the Qur'an has abrogated the previous Scriptures of Moses and Jesus—despite the fact that the Qur'an clearly attests that these Scriptures also are the Word of God and therefore, presumably, unchangeable! How much more odious, then, to suggest that at least for a period of time satanic verses actually formed a part of the Qur'an! For many Muslims it is simply inconceivable that Muhammad, even under the severest pressures, would (perhaps even could) compromise with his Meccan enemies, and still more that Satan somehow could "whisper" his thoughts into the substance of God's holy Word, the Qur'an. That is why even the idea of satanic verses in the Qur'an shocks some Muslims.

But, to repeat, Rushdie did not originate the satanic verses. Nor did Jews, Christians or other non-Muslims. Our information about the satanic verses and the circumstances surrounding their revelation stems from the reputable Muslim accounts of at-Tabari and Ibn Sa’d. Muslims today who simply dismiss the account of these writers as fabricated and unhistorical must at least answer the question why such reputable persons would report it. The question is not new. But, it seems, a serious Muslim response is hard to find.



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Answer 2

The Quran should be read with the Tafsir (explanations) if you are wanting to learn how Islamic laws came into being.

For someone studying Shariah law they would need to know which commands were superceded by another as the faith increased (for example the way alcohol was gradually made forbidden.)

Tafsir also shows the context of the verses concerning battles. The Muslims were commanded to practice non violence for 14 years and many were tortured and killed but nobody was allowed to raise a hand in defense.

When their test of self restraint was complete they were given permission to fight back and go on the offensive if ever attacked even once. These are considered to be parts of Islamic laws , to know what permissions were given in each situation. Verses cannot be taken out of context or without the tafsir or else the verses concerning fighting will be misunderstood.

If you are not studying the laws in the Quran then there is no worry about abrogated verses.

The stories of previous Prophets and the Descriptions of the Greatness of God are absolute for all time.


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Answer 3

The abrogation of Quranic verses, arguably the greatest lie against the Quran, was originally invented during the fourth century A.H. (late 10th century A.D.) by some Muslim scholars notably Ahmed Bin Ishaq Al-Dinary (died 318 A.H.), Mohamad Bin Bahr Al-Asbahany (died 322 A.H.), Hebat Allah Bin Salamah (died 410 A.H.) and Mohamad Bin Mousa Al-Hazmy (died 548 A.H.), whose book about Al-Nasekh and Al-Mansoukh is regarded as one of the leading references in the subject.

This concept invented originally by these scholars, claims that there are some verses in the Quran that have been abrogated and invalidated by other verses!

The verse that is the abrogator they call (Al-Nasekh) while the abrogated verse they call (Al-Mansoukh).

These scholars have come up with hundreds of cases of abrogated verses to the extent that they have formulated a whole science of the subject filling lengthy books and references.

Although the concept was originally invented by Muslim scholars as a result of their poor understanding of the Quran, yet it has been widely exploited by non-Muslim writers to tarnish the perfection and divinity of the book.

here is the link : http://www.submission.org/abrogation.html

Answer 4

five:sixty nine is The Same as two:sixty two ! phrase by means of phrase !! which verse abrogates five:sixty nine ! whilst the order of revelation could also be unique from surah two ! this abrogation and order doesnt are compatible in in combination ! truthfully each those innovated theories are improper in nature ! Islam isn't a right identify, nor it's the faith centered by means of Muhammad as it's falsely claimed. Islam is the paradigm of all people who post themselves peacefully to Allah on my own. The Quran teaches us that each person acknowledging the reality had been named by means of Allah with the phrase Submitters (Muslims) (22:seventy eight). Islam is a descriptive identify which means submission and peace, or inside the context of the Quran, peacefully surrendering self to Allah Alone. Islam is a paradigm and a subculture that emphasizes private freedom from all powers by means of accepting Allah Alone as the one absolute authority. Thus, the one subculture applicable by means of Allah is Islam (three:19-eighty five). According to the Quran, all messengers, along with their supporters, had been Muslims; they had been peacemakers who submitted themselves to the desire of Allah Alone. Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus and their fans had been all defined with the equal phrase, Peaceful Submitters or Peaceful Surrenderers (Muslims) (10:seventy two; two:128; 10:eighty four; 27:31; five:111; seventy two:14). Since all messengers added the message within the language in their folks, they defined their submission to Allah, now not making use of the Arabic phrase, "Islam" or "Muslim," however alternatively by way of their possess languages (14:four). In truth, in keeping with the Quran, aside from the minds of ingrates and mushriks, the whole universe, adding the fabric our bodies of rejecters, is Muslim, on account that each particle, atom, molecule, planet, superstar, mild, galaxy within the universe submits flawlessly to Allah's legislation (forty one:eleven). The shadows post to Allah's legislation, even the shadows of the opponent's frame (thirteen:15). Everything within the universe has submitted to the Allah's method; submission to Allah in peace (Islam) is the legislation of the universe (three:eighty three).

Answer 5

Quran were revealed quite ramdomly based on situation.
Once a year, during the month of Ramadhan Gabriele will come to prophet Mohamed and read him the Quran using the right arrangement.
Prophet Mohamed remember the arrangement and ask his companion to remember the Quran by this arrangement.

During the last year of prophet Mohamed live, Gabriele come and read him Quran (using the right arrangement) twice.

Answer 6

I think the problem is that Americans do not know the word "abrogate"

Answer 7

all i know is the quran says god doesnt change so how did it change its mind?

and it also said gods word doesnt change then why was its words changed in those 3 tribal mythologies