Are Democrats patriots or the new Tory Party?

Question

I don't agree with some of the previous posters about partisian politics. I think this issue of anti-American liberalism needs to be addressed head on. Anti-American liberalism needs to be shamed and exposed for what it truly is..a failed politico/religious ideology that is endangering America's future. The democrat controlled congress only has an 11% approval rating and I think that winning the war in iraq will be a major turning point for America.

One can very reasonably compare the democrats to the Tory party in the revolutionary war. The Tories got themselves elected into major positions in congress and the senate and at every turn would promote horrible legislation that would weaken America in an effort to end America and return rule to our enemies( the british). They sided with our enemies every time and would try to weaken us from within at every chance they got. Sound familiar?
Eventually the tory ideology was defeated and they were removed from office.

The political party that is PREVENTING real positive change in America is the democrats. Nowhere is this more evident than in America's quest for Energy Independence.

The best thing that Bush has ever done in office is his Energy Independence policy. He actually has enacted an energy independence policy that really works. With his federal minimum biofuel standards and tax incentives for EVERY type of alternative energy, private industries are racing to provide the production facilities for the already proven technologies to substitute for oil. Being an insider in this business and talking with everyone involved in it I know there is ONE thing that is preventing the big institutional money from coming in to build the facilities necessary to provide energy independence.

The one thing preventing America from becoming energy independent is all of the alternative energy producers and institutional money are afraid that a democrat will be elected president and kill the industry before it begins. The institutional money is waiting on the sidelines to see what happens in this next election and it is a shame.

The reason the democrats are actionably opposed to energy independence is a mixture of extreme anti George Bushism(who champions the cause) and a insane hysteria about the environment.

The democrats are opposed to biomass to oil technologies, coal to oil technologies, increased domestic drilling, oil sands mining, nuclear power,cellulosic ethanol and butanol and biodiesel. They are even opposed to wind power often, because of the occasional bird that is killed. This is insanity!
The democrats idea of alternative energy is getting rid of coal fed electric plants when electricity is not the problem it is ISLAMIC AND THIRD WORLD FOREIGN OIL!

The republicans strong stance on national defense will actually enable American energy independence wheras the democrats will never accomplish this national priority.

Here is a good example, when bill clinton ran for president in 92' he campaigned on the energy independence ticket. When he was elected, America imported roughly 40% of its oil. By the end of his disgraced presidency America imported almost 60% of it's oil from foreign sources! Not only did he not lower oil imports he cut deals with terrorist nations and DRASTICALLY INCREASED our suicidal insane addiction to foreign oil!

The only way to create real,positive change in America is to elect the Republicans! With the strong national security platform WE WILL create real energy independence!
Only the republicans understand that energy independence is our biggest weapon against islamic terrorism!
Not only will we become energy independent we will export energy and render the middle eastern,russian and venezuelan oil worthless!

The only way to defeat islamic terrorism is through U.S. Energy Independence!

It's time for Americans to wake up and stop killing ourselves!!

Answer 1

They are Communsit

1963 Communist Goals
The following was entered into the Congressional record by Albert Herlong, Jr. (a Floridian who served in Congress from 1949-69) in 1963.

1) US acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war
2) US willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war
3) Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the US would be a demonstration of "moral strength"
4) Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5) Extension of long term loans to Russia and Soviet Satellites
6) Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination
7) Grant recognition of Red China, and admission of Red China to the UN.
8) Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free elections under supervision of the UN
9) Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the US has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress
10) Allow all Soviet Satellites individual representation in the UN
11) Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the UN as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo)
12) Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party
13) Do away with loyalty oaths
14) Continue giving Russia access to the US Patent Office
15) Capture one or both of the political parties in the US
16) Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17) Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in text books.
18) Gain control of all student newspapers
19) Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20) Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
21) Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.
22) Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings", substitute shapeless, awkward, and meaningless forms.
23) Control art critics and directors of art museums. " Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art".
24) Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25) Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.
26) Present Homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy".
27) Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch"
28) Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state"
29) Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30) Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man".
31) Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture:" Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32) Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture - - education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33) Eliminate all laws or procedures, which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34) Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35) Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI
36) Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37) Infiltrate and gain control of big business
38) Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.
39) Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41) Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42) Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special interest groups should rise up and make a "united force" to solve economic, political, or social problems.
43) Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44) Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45) Repeal the Connally Reservation so the US can not prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.
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Answer 2

Interesting. But my thought is that people are simply moving away from the GOP and Democrats rather than actually toward embracing the Tea Party movement. That is, they have little knowledge what the Tea Party crowd actually represents (in so much as it doesn't really have a consistent, unified platform) and are just of the mindset of "anybody but the usual bunch". Don't get me wrong - I'm pleased that this is occurring. If nothing else it may get the attention of the movers and shakers in DC. But my concern is that once people really try to triangulate on what the Tea Party movement tangibly represents then it'll end up fragmenting along a number of different, incompatable lines.

Answer 3

First question -- do you consider all liberalism to be anti-American, or is anti-American liberalism a very particular subset of liberalism? Same question for "Islamic terrorists" -- are you considered all or most Muslims to be terrorist, or are you just talking about terrorists but limiting your discussion to terrorists who claim to follow one particular religion?

If you consider all liberalism to be anti-American -- then you are basically saying that anyone who wants to change anything, or anyone who wants more freedoms that you do -- is against America. And if you consider all Islamics to be terrrorists -- that's 20% of the world's population. And there is no answer to that type of irrational prejudice and hatred.

The idea that the Republican party wants "real change" is -- I'm sorry -- laughable. The Republican party is by nature conservative -- and opposed to change. The core of the conservative platform is to keep things the same and to maintaining that sense of conformity with tradition.

I'm not saying the Democrats are the answer -- but the Democratic party largely abandoned the liberal philosophy years ago in favor of socialism. And as for your statistics about the Clinton era, check how many of those decisions were made by Congress and how many were executive.

Bio-fuels are not an answer to anything -- their sole benefit over fossil fuels (like oil or coal) is that they are renewable -- but they are also more polluting and horribly less efficient in terms of energy output versus mass and production costs.

Yes, true energy independence is the only solution to a lot of problems -- but by far most of the US oil consumption comes from Mexico and Canada -- the percentage we get from the Middle East is very small. And none of that has anything to do with liberalism or the concept of personal freedoms.

Answer 4

Wow, what an interesting quetion.

First of all, you're speaking of the Democrats in America. That's akin to Labour in Great Britain. They are historially, the worker's party.

The Republicans are more akin to the Tories or Conservatives. One election was lost in the U.S. because the poll was taken by telephone. Only the people who were able to afford a telephone at the time were able to respond, and they were Republican and gave their view. needless to say, the poll was vastly wrong due to the Republican's lack of incite of the country of the time and that the majority of the common people, the voting public, had lost the income needed to afford a telephone.

In colonial America, before they broke from England, there was no congress and no senators or congressmen. So, that statement is totally, totally, without merit.

As I recall history, the PM at the time was Lord North and his policy was largely supported at the time by the British public.

If we look back at it, the taxes the British wanted the American colonies to pay were cheap compared to the defense, upkeep, roads, public works and other things that were being built at the time.

You speak of engery independence and Bush's plan. What plan? Well, it's true that President Clinton had no energy plan, or so it's said. But, it's also true that the first King BUSH, President Reagan or Ford ( ALL REPUBLICANS ) had energy policies either. If I'm wrong, please correct me and site your references. But, I don't think you'll be able to find any site because there isn't any.

As far as Bush's energy plan. He hasn't one. He mentioned one when we had a major blackout in southern Canada and the North-Eastern U.S., but then that was it. You never hear anymore about any energy policy.

Oil has gotten sky-high. Clinton released oil from the SOR or the stratigic Oil Reserve. That caused oil to drop. Bush has not done this. Only when huricane Kartina hit did he allow producers to borrow oil from the oil reserve. He's an oil man as is Chenny and has done nothing, nothing to help the common man regarding the price of gasoline, oil, electricity or anything else. Why, they don't have any money for campaign contributions.

The third or fourth largest oil producer in the world is guess who? The United States? Yet, we still need to import oil.

I was around when Bill Clinton ran in 1992. And, I didn't vote for him and I didn't ever, ever hear him speak about energy independence. The theme was "Don't, Stop, Thinking about Tommorow." Say what you will about Old Bill Clinton, but we did have gasoline in this country that was less than $1.25 a U.S. gallon. That's when Sterling wasn't at about two bucks per Pound.

Bush and Chenney, both oil men. Chenny is deeply, deeply in bed with Halibertan. Maybe not the correct spelling but do a google search on Haliburton and Chenny and see what you come up with.

With the fact that President Bush's popularity is at an all time low for almost any and every president ever, and I think that's dropping to 16 to 14 percent. I seriously doubt a Repbulican could be elected dog catcher, with my apoligies to dog catchers in this country.

Have you not heard: "Sugar is the new oil?" It takes almost as much energy to convert starch or sugar to a fuel that can be used by cars. No gain, but lots of pain. Sugar will be more expensive, corn, third world countries will have to pay more for food because now, cheap food sources such as corn is now being converved to alcohol for cars in which many aren't fitted for this type of fuel and will have to have their fuel lines, systems and fuel injectors refitted, replaced or worked on.

We elected the Republicans a few years ago at the end of Bill Clinton's term. They got mad, impeached him and it didn't stick. They had control over everything. Then came Bush and again, the Republicans had control over everything. So, what were they waiting for? If they haven't done anything for the last 15 years, why should I think that they're going to suddenly see the light and turn this country around?

The truth is, in the U.S., we're looking at the highest rate of inflation to see this country in decades. You only have to look at fuel prices, food and other everyday stables that we working people buy to see where this is going.

I'm guessing you're not an American, nor British or even French to have made such silly statements.

Former President Carter, who wasn't one of our best presidents, said that Bush would go down in history as one of the worst presidents in the history of this country. The response from the White House was the former President Carter was being more and more illrelavant. They didn't say he was wrong.

U.S. engergy indendence is like the Wizard of Oz and following the yellow brick road. "We aren't in Kansas anymore."

Answer 5

You make a good case for reducing our dependance on foriegn oil. However, you are very misguided if you think that Bush has taken an honorable path. And you are flat-out deluded if you think this war is to benefit the American people. It is to benifit his cronies, pure and simple.

Here's the REAL energy policy....

http://www.cronus.com/oil/

Answer 6

Democrats just have different opinions than Bush. That doesn't make them wrong. If you want to get into wright and wrong, Democrats have a higher national IQ average than republicans, so they are more likely to be right.

Answer 7

If you really want to kill Anti-American Liberalism, just stop listening to Rush Limbaugh. The only place that "ideology" even exists is in his imagination.

Answer 8

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JOIN THE MODERN WHIG PARTY, the symbol is the Phoenix, rising from the ashes to a new rebirth,

but ill still be voting libertarian.

Answer 9

I am in full agreement with "true" energy independence. And i do mean true.

Answer 10

No,they are the destroy the American nation party!