Concerning the trinity idea - if Jesus was YVHV, how could Satan think he could tempt him?

Question

Is Satan a retard?

If Jesus was YVHV how could he be tempted? In the old testament God would send Satan out to mess with people.

So Jesus would send Satan out to tempt himself?

Maybe Jesus was a man and YVHV was sending Satan to test him out to make sure he could do the job that was expected of him???

Starjumper - the cow next to the dolphin cracked me up! thanks for that...

Answer 1

I've never been comfortable with the idea that God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are the same and/or equal. If Christ and God are the same, why does the Bible say Christ will sit on a throne at the right-hand side of God?

Answer 2

Jesus and Jehovah are two different individuals. Jehovah is the Father. John 17:3. Jesus is the Son. John 10:36.

Jesus and his Father were not equals. Jesus said at John 14:28: "The Father is greater than I am."

So God was not tempted by Satan; his Son Jesus was.

Answer 3

In the book of Hebrews, it again says Jesus was tested

If a person can not fail is it really a test?

the book of Hebrews goes on to say Jesus learned obedience from the things he suffered.

I can't understand how people can say Jesus is God.

Why would God have to learn anything?
Why would God have to learn obedience to anyone?

If Jesus is God Almighty?

Then the God and Father of Jesus is God the more Almighty?
John 1:6

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Answer 4

Once taking a stroll back in my home country of Greece (Crete) I stopped and talked with some friends of my deceased father. In the middle of the conversation, one of them looking at me turns to the other and says, "isn't He his Father?"

Let those that have understanding have understanding.

Now as far as 'Tempting goes' we need to look at the context. Jesus is in the desert. Lack of water food, etc. Satan is not stupid. Nor is he doing some kind of scientific experimentation, indifferent of the result. No, Satan wanted the reaction from Jesus that he wanted. He knew that Jesus was hungry, and he exploited this. To satisfy his (Jesus) fleshly desire to eat, by compromising his integrity to what is right. I think the better word for this is Enticement! (the act of influencing by exciting hope or desire). You can't be enticed if you don't desire. And Jesus showed absolute control of his desires, not letting them control him.
Thus, test is not the operative word here, but temptation or enticement.

Answer 5

In a few words this questioner managed to rip a huge whole in that so-called "christian-elite" doctrine.

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quickeningwind "Even translating it as "tempted" in light of what the word really conveys, would mean that he was "taken to be tempted, or tried," not that he was actually tempted,..."
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Clash of Harmonization??? Re-read Matthew 4

Take Care Everybody.

Answer 6

The Greek word used is "Peirasmos." It means "tested" as well. It doesn't necessarily bring about the connotation that he was tempted at all. Even translating it as "tempted" in light of what the word really conveys, would mean that he was "taken to be tempted, or tried," not that he was actually tempted, but tested in every way we are, as the Scriptures say. This was only because Jesus came as a man. He had to endure this. He had a body that was born of a woman, remember? That human part of his nature (Jesus was dual natured-God and man-born of God's seed, and came from the womb of a sinful woman (Mary)) was taken to be tested, but he was never tempted.

Answer 7

You would think so, wouldn't you? How about the fact that Jesus prayed to himself, asking himself to bless himself?


quickeningwind: Peirasmos (πειρασμος) does in fact mean temptation. The Lord's Prayer "και μη εισενεγκης ημας εις ΠΕΙΡΑΣΜΟΝ" which means "Do not bring us into TEMPTATION."

Answer 8

Isn't it amazing how they never answer a question with regards to why Jesus referred to himself as a man and never a god. They always attack the question but refuse to answer it.

Answer 9

the tempter stigma is a perversion