What do you think of this quote that Paul made in Romans in reference to Isaiah?

Question

I looked both verses up with the NASB version.

It always seems like the new doesn't match the old...

Romans 11:26

and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."


Isaiah 59:20

"A Redeemer will come to Zion, And to those who turn from transgression in Jacob," declares the LORD.

To quote a site:
http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/handbook/s_refuting.html

"The Messiah's role is not to take away our sins; rather, when we turn away from our sins, the Messiah will then come! It is also noteworthy that many New Testaments translate this verse correctly in Isaiah and incorrectly in Romans."

Thoughts?

Answer 1

The Old Testament backs you up on that. Many times it shows God telling the Jews that if they just turned away from their "wickedness" God would save them from slavery, bondage, etc.... (of which God usually put them there as punishment to begin with when the Jews were "wicked", transgressed against God Directly - not just for breaking priestly laws). When the Old Test talks about blood sacrifice, God never says it's NEEDED.... he says what is Needed is to turn from your "sins"....

I've noticed there are several things in the New Testament like that..... They appear to be "forced" in some ways to make it appear to read one way... most people never look that stuff up in the Old Test. They think it's been "done away with", nailed to the Cross, etc.....

Answer 2

It's this easy to explain:

The Jews as a nation would not believe the 'right hand' of the Lord when He came. Isaiah was right, and there you go! So it's not wise to look at what the Jews believe about Jesus, they were prophesied not to believe. Look instead at what they do not believe. That will land you squarely on Jesus, who is the 'cornerstone that the builders rejected.' Whoever trusts in Him will never be ashamed.

Jesus is the Most High God,and the Lord of the Sabbath. You can read about him in Daniel 7 independent of the Ancient of Days.

So the Messiah's role is to wash away sins because He is the priest in the order of Melchizedek. He is the Lamb of God, literally and figuratively. The Passover lamb unblemished. The Ark of the Covenant, and the Ark of Noah were telling us of Him. They were types of Christ.

Answer 3

Paul knew what he was talking about, if you stop and realize that Paul was An Apostle to the gentiles, Therefore he knew that since Israel rejected their messiah as a whole that one day God will leave the gentiles & go back to the Jews, that is what is going on now, Israel has 12 tribes, & some of all 12 tribes will be represented there for Israel, Therefore Israel shall be saved.

Answer 4

Although Nontrinitarian beliefs continued to multiply, and among some people (such as the Lombards in the West) it was dominant for hundreds of years afterward, the Trinitarians gained the immense power of the Roman Empire. Nontrinitarians typically argue that the primitive beliefs of the Christianity were systematically suppressed (often to the point of death), and that the historical record, perhaps also including the Scriptures of the New Testament, was altered as a consequence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarianism

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Answer 5

Nice little word game you have here. I have no trouble seeing them one and the same.
Paul is talking about what will happen the same as Isaiah. So what if he used a different word to say the same thing.
Jesus takes away the sins of the world. Be glad.

Answer 6

Read "The Mythmaker, Paul and the Invention of Christianity" by Hyam Maccoby
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Answer 7

Paul was likely quoting from the Septuagint, not the Tanak. I suggest you find out how it is rendered in the Greek. This is usually the reason why Christian and Jewish interpretations disagree.

Answer 8

To me it is a perfect match, it is just presented as two sides of the same coin. One from God standpoint, Jesus is delievering them, and one from man's styandpoint, they are being delivered from transgressions.