I'm an evolutionist but.......?

Question

I'm starting to think that there might be someone who created us. i don't know. i'm torn between Christianity and evolution. it seems very improbably that we all just happened to be. im starting to get small hints that we might have been created, but i want to be loyal to my fellow evolutionists. what shall I do?

Answer 1

i believe in God and evolution!

i believe God created the universe, the sun, planets etc. etc.

then he created life on earth, and possibly other planets etc.

i believe that humans did evolve from apes, but perhaps at one point, God decided that some of the apes should become intelligent and have a soul

thats what i think

i definetely dont believe we sprang up from nowhere, that is quite illogical. evolution makes alot of sense!

and about the loyalty thing, be free to believe what you think is right!! it doesnt matter if you dont 'fit into' a specific group or category

im a Catholic, but i dont agree with everything that church says

i believe that married men could be ordained, and priests should be able to marry. i also have no objections to women being ordained

i am Catholic, but i dont have exactly the same beliefs as all Catholics

believe what you will, i am justing giving my opinion

but id like to say: dont worry too much about what people say on this site. some may be nasty, just ignore them. you dont have to do what they tell you

anyway...have a nice day and i hope you find what you seek..

God bless

"SMILE :-) laughter is good for the soul"

Answer 2

Consider the following:

1. Creation story has been around for thousands of years.

2. The Book that records it has been around for thousands of years. Its history cannot be refuted.

3. The people who wrote that Book, the Jews, have been around for thousands of years. Neither can they be destroyed, Hitler even tried it! Still the Iranian President wants to wipe off Israel from the map of the world!

4. The Sabbath, weekly day of rest, which memorializes creation is still observed all over the world - "For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth....and rested the seventh day." (Ex. 20:11).

If you believe in a God, how else could He have conveyed that He created this world and all the life in it and did it the way He says He did it? The evolutionists say that if God created this world then He did not do a good job. They point to all the imperfections in the plant and animal kingdoms. What they don't realize is that this world is not perfect today. Sin has brought disease, decay and death. And the way to reverse this situation is by getting back to God not by denying His existence which will only make things worse.

Anywhere you see design there's got to be a designer. Human body is an intricately complex design. Now, evolutionists say that life began as simple life forms which gradually as a result of natural selection came to be the way they are today. Why would an organism change while the others of its kind continue to flourish the way they did millions of years ago? Have they found out those causes of change? Have they been tested in an experimental situation? No. Things don't happen in this world for no reason. There is always a cause or purpose behind it and natural selection cannot account for the changes we see today. Of course, evolutionists say that they are not so much concerned with how life began. Only that they are certain how it proceeded from there. All based on minor changes that an organism can undergo. But these minor changes are governed by the laws of genetics and they do not change the genetic constitution of the organism, only a rearragement of different allelles present in the chromosomal structure. Has any scientific experiment shown to produce a change in the genetic constitution of an organism? No. It would produce unviable products. It's only the wishful thinking of evolutionists that can perform such miracles.

I could go on but this much for this answer would suffice.

Answer 3

Professor Adjineri is wrong again. (He's quite a guy!) You don't have to have a scientific explanation for something before you can use it. If it works, you can use it. The birds did not have a theory of flight, but they flew. Women did not know what made soap do what it does (many still don't), but they got their clothes clean anyway. That's the difference between a discovery and an invention. Darwin DISCOVERED what the animals and plants had been doing through time. He did not invent the phenomenon, he merely described it in a way that made more sense than people who wrote before, such as Lamarck.

Answer 4

I can understand how someone could get mired in the controversy of it all and think they have to make a choice. Please remember the following:

You don't *have* to choose. You can just live your life.

There are other options besides Christianity. There are other options besides evolution - although none that are yet accepted scientific theories. In other words, there is more than dualism in the world.

Even if you only choose between these two, it is possible to choose both. For example, one *can* choose to believe that the story of Genesis is an allegory for a divine being's creation of the universe but not literal. Thus one can choose to believe that a divine being created the universe - and the mechanism for the variation in species on this planet is evolution. Obviously this requires a bit of retooling of the Christian belief system but that's why you have a brain/mind, I suppose.

I would suggest reading about other philosophies before making a decision (i.e., the second option above) but that's just me. Oh, and you *can* choose to remain agnostic and accept evolution; that's always an option, as well.

Answer 5

Accepting the 'created' notion is giving up - the politics of desperation.

If I may read between the lines I assume that you're being impressed by how very unlikely it all seems that the world around us is he result of blind, natural processes.

And of course it does seem that way. But don't be fooled by the huge figures of improbability bandied about by Creationists. Evolution doesn't work that way: the error is in thinking of evolution as a one-off incident. That would indeed be staggeringly unlikely.

Two scenarios: how unlikely is it that you will win the lottery? Incredibly unlikely, clearly. But how unlikely is it that SOMEONE will win the lottery? Close to 100%, depending on whether rollovers etc. are used.

Evolution follows the second scenario. A particular beneficial mutation may be very unlikely (though in fact it seldom is), but with a large population it can be almost inevitable if it confers a benefit on the individual. And that individual will reproduce more effectively because of that benefit - and soon the mutation will be everywhere.

The difficulty is that although these facts are known and confirmed, it's hard to arrange a demonstration - because significant changes often take millions of years. Evolution at work in laboratories has to rely on small, fast-breeding animals like bacteria and fruit-flies - but the results are plain as day. Man invents new chemicals - such as TNT - that have never existed on Earth before, and within a few decades bacteria have evolved new enzymes that enable them to use the chemicals as food.

Creationists complain that this is just 'micro-evolution' - a term they invented that is never used be serious evolutionary biologists. It's a smoke-screen, equivalent to saying that the invention of the brick can't account for houses.

Wong: thousands of small mutations - each one beneficial - will lead to massive changes in an animal.

And in fact the mutations required for gross changes are not all that extensive: to make a giraffe from a horse requires elongated neck structure, a string heart, and some pressure regulation at brain level. The actual changed genes may be quite few in number (due in part to the way homeobox genes determine body shape). Each on is unlikely, but over millions of years - just like playing the lottery - a large number of wins can be accumulated.

I hope you will read up on, say, TalkOrigins, to better inform yourself on evolution. You'll see that here's no magic required.

And see also Dawkins' 'Blind Watchmaker' for a great lesson in evo from the master himself.

CD

Answer 6

I didn't realise that evolutionists were an actual group. Is there a newsletter I should be recieving or meetings I should be attending?

Basically, ask this question again and ask the questions that you have about evolution and where you see the improbability, we'll be able to answer it rather than this attempt to portray sane people as being part of a conspiracy.

Answer 7

Be loyal to yourself rather than others. Study the information available supporting and opposing both viewpoints and make an informed decision yourself.

Personally, I look outside and at other people and feel there must have been a guiding hand, so I would be considered a creationist, but I think when created, much of what I see now was not the same as it is now, it evolved to it's current state. So maybe both viewpoints are correct.

You decide what to believe for yourself.

Answer 8

We did evolve, even the late Pope John Paul II believed so. the story of creation in the Bible is a myth BUT that doesen't mean we weren't created by God. You see God works with riddles and complexities. He wouldn't want to create us so simply with a simple breath of life, He created us through a complex branching and evolution from a single simple cell. he created the cell and then made the perfect environment so that we will be formed into humans.

Answer 9

My suggestion is to stick to where there's evidence.

You can believe in what the evidence shows, (evolution) and still believe that maybe it happened that way because a higher power decided that's how it would happen. (Again, no evidence pointing to this, but if you feel strongly enough...)

Just don't reject facts and evidence in favor of a supernatural being that has NO evidence for existence.

Answer 10

Why would you think something like that? What evidence do you see to support such a supposition?

If you think it's too improbable to have "happened by chance", then you don't really understand how the mechanism of natural selection works. Go read "The Blind Watchmaker" by Richard Dawkins at once, and clear your head.