What are some masculine values that have been suppressed in favour of feminized values?

Question

Just thinking about the way a lot of masculine values have been suppressed in today's society and replaced with feminized values, for example:

freedom replaced by security
justice replaced by compassion
logic replaced by emotion
suppressing emotions replaced by emotional expression
objectivity replaced by subjectivity

Bill Maher listed a few in his video on feminism:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z8j4QJ0oiY&NR=1

feelings more important than fact
commitment more important than individuality
sensitivity is more important than truth
children more important than people
safety is more important than fun

What are some more masculine values that have been suppressed in today's society and what are the feminized values they have been replaced with? What masculine values do you think have been suppressed to the effect of alienating men in today's society?

Rio - I'm not saying they were suppressed for the purpose of alienating men. I'd say the opposing values were promoted to make women feel more comfortable. Nevertheless it has had the effect of alienating men.

How about those in the education system?

Answer 1

Here's some

Family values replaced by empowerment
marriage replaced by divorce
fatherhood replaced by child support
Candid expression replaced by politically correct
competition replaced by cooperation

Answer 2

Wow Happy is British?

I think the UK has far more extreme, erratic, and man-hating feminists. Fraxinus is British. Go figure. Canada would be second. It appears commonwealth nations have the most hardline feminists. So I give you credit for standing up to these misandrists and their bullying.

But yes, I made a Question about this a couple weeks ago... with that Bill Maher link. Bill Maher is a genius, and many feminists couldn't help but agree with him.

Bill Maher is a liberal and more specifically a libertarian, so isn't it funny that he's liberal regarding just about every issue (pro-CivilRights, anti-Bush, anti-conservative, pro-Michael Moore, anti-Iraq War, etc.) EXCEPT feminism? Obviously he's not just blindly siding with every liberal issue, and it speaks volumes when a liberal doesn't side with a liberal movement like feminism. This is because he, being a very intelligent and articulate man, is able to rationalize the evils and dangers of the feminist movement.

Answer 3

This is happening in the government/ political system and the Church too.... not just the education system... not sure about adding anymore about this coz this is what comes to mind after a long thought.

(Eg: We live in an addictive society, and our governments are some of the largest spreaders of the disease. The current war against men is being perpetrated mainly through current family court and child support laws, perfect examples of "hostage-captor" relationships. These laws protect the "woman as victim" myth, a piece of the victim role always present in any codependent relationship, especially those involving alcoholism or drug addiction. In nearly every e-mail "conversation" I have explored with women who objected to the editorials on this site, I have found some evidence of alcoholism or drug addiction within the family structure. By totally focusing on the males and promoting the women's victim role, these laws actually protect the disease process and promote family and national decay by protecting people from the consequences of their choices. The country will never heal until the government gets out of the family. The government has no business setting the morals for the country, especially when it is immoral and dishonest itself.)

Facts of many common thinking. Complicated question and had to research it for ideas ....

Answer 4

100 years ago, a person of high CHARACTER was esteemed.

Today, we worship "hotness."

I've thought about this quite a bit in recent years. A century ago, we used to place a great deal of value on a person's character and integrity. In fact, in any social class, this was perhaps the most important trait that a person could exhibit.

Today, "beauty" and "attractiveness" are the traits which, in many ways, determine the worthiness of a person. Our culture seems to define "beauty" as a feminine trait, yet we still define what makes a "real" man (not woman) by his "character" and "integrity".

If character and integrity are of less importance, and beauty and attractiveness are of more importance, I would argue that this represents a feminization of how we judge others.

Answer 5

The stars have no point value, but it does mean that if someone gives you a star then they have found your question to be interesting. The more starts you get the more it means people find your questions interesting.

Answer 6

I'm surprised at how many good and honest answers are so far held in resposne to this query of yours. Good question and good answers... a rarity for such a combination!

Another is male sexuality... female sexuality is seen as 'empowering' while male sexuality is seen as 'harassment' or 'leery', etc.

Competitiveness is also being knocked around a fair bit, title IX for example - although I recognise the good it 'could' do, it seems to have been somewhat misused and used to excuse ill-behaviours toward young boys.

On the subject of young boys, men looking at young women/girls is seen as scarey & paedophilic, while women (such as Germaine Greer) are quite ok to publish books about leering at young boys bodies.

Also, boys natural rambuctiousness (spelling, sorry) is now an excuse to drug them up - for a condition that has no actual medical assertion... Just to add insult to injury, rather than realise boys NEED to run around and expend some energy, the education system has (in some places - and seemingly a growing trend) removed recess... which of course, denies yet more children from being able to expend their energy, thus making them less focused in classes, and so more boys being drugged up - a viscious circle.

Answer 7

That list seems plausible enough, although I really don't think it is done for the purpose of alienating men. The world is just too PC these days.

Answer 8

One masculine value that has been suppressed lately ... at least on this board ... is the ability to make rude bodily noises like Tool Time Tim!

Another masculine value that has been suppressed of late is the ability to stare cancer in the face like you're not afraid even as you smoke yourself to death!

Answer 9

This idea that the values you call masculine and the ones you call feminine have nothing to do with sex.

For instance, the people who are taking away freedoms are mostly men.

All the people who keep telling you that logic is NOT a trait of females have been lying to you. If you'd ever actually known any females you would realize this.

As another example of how you clearly haven't been paying attention, Mr. Macho in the Oval Office has rejected reason, in favor of his "gut". Are you calling him a woman (which, to you would be the greatest of insults, no doubt).

If you could take off the blinders through which you view the world, and actually see the world more objectively, you would see that the sex labels you've applied so gratuitously are NOT male and female values.

You'd also see that many of the things you've set in opposition are not, in fact, in opposition.

Uh, children aren't people?

There's a new one.

Also the idea that only women love their children and want their children to grow up strong, healthy, and with some chance of having a decent life is unfair to men, most of whom love their children.

Compassion is a human value. Those who lack it are less than truly human.

If you think that, recognizing people's common humanity is anti-male there is something deeply wrong with you.

Try valuing, and actually USING, rationality and evidence for a change; it's do you good.

Answer 10

Umm...ok, who's to say that those values are masculine or feminine or not? I find it insulting that people constantly are associating "bad" values with women, and better ones with men!

As for me, I value most of the supposedly "male" values over most of the female values. Don't make this into a gender issue, it's a human and societal issue.