I consider Hillary and Bush, both to be anti American ,do you?

Question

They both wanted the war in Iraq, they both believe in the patriot act, they both believe spying on Americans is patriotic.
Where is there any real difference when it comes to the constitution, between these two AIPAC whores?

Answer 1

I completely agree.

Now the question is who else is involved in this?

I sure don't want to vote another one into office.
I know there's a lot of them though. They're so sneaky, like cockroaches these people. They've been laying in wait since WWII.

Answer 2

*They both wanted the war in Iraq:

No, Clinton voted for the resolution for Bush to make the decision to go to war with Iraq if necessary. He did not meet the specifications of the resolution before doing so, and to top it off he sent our troops there underequipped and without a plan for the peace and the aftermath. She believed, as many of us did, that he would not use bogus intelligence to back up his argument. We were all wrong, he did. I am less concerned these days with who voted for this resolution than I am about who can fix the mess Bush has created.

*they both believe in the patriot act, they both believe spying on Americans is patriotic:

No, they both believe in the reasons behind the necessity for the Patriot Act. After that, Bush believes it is his to misuse, and she believes it needs better management and public disclosure of wiretapping activity to keep it honest.


*Where is there any real difference when it comes to the constitution, between these two AIPAC whores?:

The difference is that Bush uses and abuses the Constitution without conscience for his own purposes and Clinton actually respects the document and believes we should always live by its edicts instead of twisting them to suit a personal and party agenda.

Overgeneralizations are not productive and almost always prove to be untrue and bogus. Calling them both whores though was very dramatic. And anti-American? No, I don't really consider either of them to be anti-American.

Answer 3

The war should have been fought to win, to hell with the press.

I believe in The Patriot Act. I think it should have MORE powers in it.

I don't think that spying on Americans is patriotic, nor do they. At the same time, hey, the government wants to spy on me? OK. If they have nothing better to do that tap my phone calls to my family and talk about who's cooking dinner on Sunday and what's for dinner, let them. They want to tap my texts to my neices and read about my new RC car, or learn what color scarf I am knitting for my neice, fine by me. If they want to monitor my internet and find out that yeah, I go to porn sites, nothing wierd, and 100% NO kiddie porn at all, whatsoever, no way, no how, and read a lot about football, let them. Persiankitty.com is my porn weapon of choice, by the way. They want to monitor my myspace page and keep track of all of my knitting projects, well, good for them.
I spent 2 years plus overseas on a military base in Korea. I always figured someone may be listening in, either on the phone or on the internet. I just got used to it. I doesn't bother me. Why does it bother you?

I think they are both idiots, but not anti-American.

Answer 4

No. Some of their policies might be.
The war in Iraq was for the attempted assassination of our President (Bush the elder), the invasion of one of our allies (Kuwait), the payment of suicide bombers on public T.V. to kill civilians in Israel, and the constant attacks during the cease-fire against our troops in the no-fly zone while the U.N. wagged their finger at Saddam for a decade and did nothing.

You consider eating all that from Saddam and Iraq to be patriotic?

The program to "spy" simply listed the people and the locations they called from and called to. It was used because no matter where in the world a call originates from it is often rerouted depending on the traffic to other countries for processing. Any call in the world is quite likely to be sent to the United States, like a call from Pakistan, through Chicago, Illinois, to Saudi Arabia.

THIS is the program you want limited. Talk about a tool for catching terrorists! And they put in what they are looking for into computers, so YOUR phone call doesn't even show up unless a known terrorist is calling you!

THIS is the program you want ended.

This program is NOT unconstitutional, nor is the war, and both have been judged in court.

You talk about constitutionality. It's YOU who would usurp the courts, the powers of our legislative, judicial, and executive branch. You want them ended DESPITE judicial review, the support of the executive branch, and the majority support of the legislative branch.

THAT'S unpatriotic.

The cherry on top of your seditious post?
Name calling; cheap, no ethics necessary, more appropriate to a playground than our forum.

Really classy, that.

Answer 5

Neither seem to have a firm grasp on the idea that the Constitution is suppose to protect citizens from the government and limit the Federal government's power over the people and states.

Answer 6

That's interesting. I wouldn't agree, in the literal sense of their being "anti-American," but I do believe that neither gives a hoot about the average, taxpaying, voting, legal American citizen.

Answer 7

Ron Paul, D Kucinich and Gravel, who remain the ones being most left out media attention, are trying but are we too blind to realize this amid the media hype for the 'favorites'.

Bri D: Back on you-it's unAmerican not to have the right to voice an opinion, isn't there a name for THAT

Grac: Considering the effort of Security and concern, who are the terrorists-the ones able to cross the border with Border Agents in fear of going to jail-is that what you call 'serious' prevention.

Answer 8

When the enemy lands a bomb in your yard, I would love to hear your thoughts on the Patriot Act. You apparently take your freedoms for granted. The terrorist want you (American citizen), their not picky.... They want to blow you/me off the face of the earth! Your President, and Mrs. Clinton, I believe, would do everything to protect America. What have you done so far? Or are you just another one of those Democrates that mouth-off and do nothing.

Answer 9

you make Hillary sound like a conservative. them supporting those things is a good thing. I'm assuming your a liberal and therefore disagree with me. but no i don't consider Hillary and Bush anti American. i just consider Hillary a bad politician in terms of her position on the issues.

Answer 10

No I believe that they are both pro-American, they just have their moral compass skewered to the point of looking very bad for America. They both think that they are doing the right thing for their country. Mind you ...they aren't, but they do think so.