How come if I'm against forcing some people to pay other people's bills, Libs say "you don't care about them"

Question

It's not a question of ends, it's a question of means.

Either government's role is not merely to protect and preserve liberty, or it is to usurp it, to trample on it. You cannot possibly draw distinctions among the ENDS for which it may do this - because (1) those distinctions are subjective - they are merely the ideals that any individual might have, and (2) ALL such proposed objectives will simply be represented as "for the children" or "for the good of the whole" - those phrases become meaningless (they already have) and pretty soon it's just a feeding frenzy, people become less focused on creating wealth than on taking it from others, and then there is less to go around.

Freedom and wealth creation go hand in hand, folks.

We're not talking about helping an elderly homeless person on the streetcorner.

We're talking about mugging the next 10 people who walk down the street, paying ourselves for the effort and then giving the elderly homeless woman 25 cents on the dollar, and justifying this by either or both of (1) there are 11 of us so we're a 'majority' and (2) look we gave money to an elderly homeless woman.

The inability of so many to see how this creates a precedent for 11 to mug 10 for any purpose is frightening.

Brian please see my other posts, I am a Libertarian, I oppose corporate welfare and think it's even worse than individual welfare..... I think gays should be allowed to marry each other - - - you won't see ME at any of the ceremonies, and I think they're NUTS, but it's supposed to be a FREE country and you have a right to be nuts!

Hopeful, you should try to be Thoughtful instead - a material minimum wage hike would only put people out of work. That's what price floors do.

Answer 1

It's an emotional tactic to forward their agenda


"Support our policies which are a proven failure or you're heartless!"

Answer 2

No! What you don't understand is that there is such a divide between the Big Buisness's and the executives that work with and for them and the "worker" that the "Fair Trade" prices keep going up the small produceers and small buisness cannot compete yet is locked into the "contract" and can't sell for less, the citizen workers are priced out, their dollar power is naught, their salary is not comenserate with medical, gas, food, prices they are virtually slave to Big Buisness Employers and Big Buisness Control.So I say yes!! to helping to pay bills of others, others that fit the criterion such as the workers, the poor. The tax base is what could contribute and it would force the Piranah Big Buisness to contribute the heftiest share since it takes the biggest bite out of the citizens ability to provide for it'self. Allowing those who have all the marbles to have such power has caught up with us and "the reapers have caught up to the sowers" there is no way the workers can stay afloat as prices go up, salaries don't, all the legal necessities, licences etc. are so out of sight little guys can't get into the "run" only BIG BUISNESS! So the rest of us are left on a treadmill without reserves when we end our working lives!!

Answer 3

Quit whining you big baby. Good grief! No body is asking you to pay someone else's bills. If you don't want to care about people that is fine. Inhumanity of some against others is not uncommon. I have seen no "feeding frenzy". You have no evidence of that and won't get any either.

You have fallen for the clap trap scare tactics of the far right because that philosophy is one that favors filthy rich people and penny pinching. Ebenezer Scrooge before the ghosts would be a prime description of how they believe.

You act as if $2 out of a million is going to make you go broke but that $2 could be put to good use to help someone who may starve without it. That is just being downright selfish. You think we talk in stereotypes about the right? Well your statements above contribute to that stereotype.

Answer 4

Creating wealth is the best way to help the poor, by providing new jobs for them. Of course if personal habits keep them from being employable or educatable, then there's a problem. If liberals are genuinely interested in helping poor people they should concentrate their efforts into showing some of them how to be employable. The conservatives will help the rest by forming new companies. Providing vouchers for education would do wonders for empowering the poor. Breaking the cycle of dependancy would also help.

Answer 5

It's the same typical left wing slant. To usurp it, to trample on it is the liberal agenda. Their best interest doesn't lie in America, future generations, or peace. It's quite the contrary. This is a vehicle for their self serving sense of importance to their own being. This is how they derive their power. They literally believe they know what's best. In all actuality these people have the cognitive reasoning ability of a 4-5 year old child. They can manipulate 'that actuality' into a manifestation of intellect and supremacy by twisting/spinning the meanings of words into whatever best suits their current affliction. They do so in such a way that it would have made Webster put a gun to his head.

Answer 6

The issue actually is about inflation being higher than the minimum wage hike. It is appalling how many people work multiple jobs and can't seem to get their head above water.

If you don't want to help out another human being who is desperately in need, that's your business. But everyone should have affordable housing and a comfortable life. It shouldn't be a struggle to pay the basic bills, such as rent, electricity, and phone.

DC is too busy giving themselves payraises to care about the common people.

Answer 7

If a person really wants to take care of the whole or the children, then throwing money at a situation will not help but lead to further dependence on the system. IF you really want to help, teach them to help themselves. Give them the means to find a job and pay their own bills, this actually shows more caring than just putting a band aid on the current situation and future ones.

Answer 8

This is why I am pro-choice on the abortion issue. If the government is to stay out of helping the poor, and this is to be a dog-eat-dog country, then the individual woman should have the right to decide on the abortion situation without government interference.

Point is- my problem with many of you who take your stances as stated in the question also want the government to interfere with a woman's decision. You want your cake and eat it, too.

Answer 9

When they tell me that, I agree with them (it's about the only thing we agree on). I don't care about them. I was once at their level and even living out of my broken down car and I made my way up the ladder and now I own my own business. If they are too lazy to do what I've done then I have no use for them.

Answer 10

It's not that they care any more than anyone else about homeless people, libs want to have higher taxes so that they can legislate more giveaway programs to convice the people who are down and out to vote for more libs. It's all about accumulation of power.

Answer 11

Do you ever notice that the libs trying pass this legislation are often very well to do? It's pocket change for people like Kerry. You are correct, I would only add that liberty and freedom lead to the creation of wealth.