What does everyone think about this view on divorce?

Question

Quoted from http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Feminism/dangers.htm

Some Background:
"So where does feminism fit into all of this? Several books could be written concerning the evils and destructive forces inherent to feminism. Feminism is anti-God, anti-marriage, and anti-family. What is feminism? Let’s start with what feminism isn’t. It is NOT women’s rights, as many have been deliberately misled to believe. God created man and woman equal in dignity, worth, and human rights. However, God did NOT create man and woman equal in authority. God clearly mandated that the husband would rule over his wife (Genesis 3:16, “…and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee”). This is the dividing line, the great barrier that separates God-fearing women from the feminist movement. In a word--AUTHORITY. The Godly wife obeys her husband. No husband is perfect, and the Godly woman understands this. TO BE CONTINUED. (Don't answer yet.)

"She loves her husband, and is patient with him. She wills no evil towards him, and does her best to help him with his life’s work (or keeps the house in order at home while he’s at work). She is his “help meet” (Genesis 2:18)."

Section for your opinion:
'Feminism is impatient, and seeks immediate divorce from a husband who exercises his authority over his wife. Feminism shows no mercy towards a faulty husband, and results in unforgiving divorce. That’s what a divorce really is—one’s unwillingness to forgive their spouse! No wife would ever divorce her husband if she truly loved him—not one! I don’t care if he beats her, she won’t divorce him (leave, yes; divorce, no). Say what you will, I don’t recall any disclaimer in the wedding vows for spousal abuse which would permit a divorce. And by the way, there are NO Scriptural grounds for divorce."

"You probably won’t like this; but a husband has a God-given RIGHT to decide who his wife associates with, where she goes, when she goes there, when she has sex with him, how she dresses, etc. Now a loving husband will be fair, and desire for his wife to have a happy life; but the husband should have veto power in a marriage. I believe a husband who loves his wife will want to let her do what makes her happy most of the time. However, in those few decisions where the husband and wife disagree, the wife is commanded by God in the Bible to submit to her husband (Colossians 3:18). I am not advocating domestic violence; but a husband who tracks his wife's time, whereabouts, and associations is NOT being abusive--he is RULING over his wife as God expects him to."

"It is tragic! I’ve never seen so many professed “Christian” women leaving their husbands, and filing for divorce. This is why I said earlier that feminism has subtly crept into many Christian homes in America. The Godless court system in America has made it extremely easy for women to divorce their husbands, and take him to the cleaners financially. Women are provided with a free public lawyer, simply by claiming spousal abuse. The husband has no choice but to go into debt for $20,000 to hire an attorney (and most husbands still lose). The wife is provided free housing, food, transportation, and plenty of destructive heathen advice at any one of thousands of shelters across America. Where is a husband to go when his wife disobeys him and refuses to be a wife and a mother? The wife is automatically viewed and treated as the victim in a marriage dispute, while the husband is usually demonized by the entire system. Women are often provided free education, an apartment, welfare..

...etc.—everything she needs to abandon her husband and move on into the dream world of feminism."
"Please don’t misunderstand what I am saying; I’m not against helping a legitimately battered woman getting on her feet. However, many of the women claiming spousal abusive are shiftless, lazy, irresponsible, cut-throat women who simply exploit the system to leave their husband. They’re looking for an easy way out. The system is often a “way out” for careless and irresponsible women who leave their husbands holding the bag--the job, the mortgage, the kids, the problems, the debts, etc. Divorce is a horrible sin! I’ve known several women who just got tired and used “the system” to escape their problematic marriage. But the husband cannot do that, as he has nowhere to go—except back to work for another stressful day at the job. Feminism has provided wives and mothers with a way to escape responsibility, and hurt their husband legally. I’m so tired of hearing about “deadbeats” dads"

"Do you know why there are hardly any deadbeat mothers? It’s because the court system goes after the breadwinner—the father. Did you ever stop to think that many of those fathers who refuse to pay child-support are doing so in PROTEST—against an evil system that is trying to FORCE him to provide for his children ... while his wife shacks up with another man in adultery? It’s a matter of principal and a man’s dignity. If a man’s wife is rebellious against him, and she tries to hurt him further with the courts, it is not surprising to me that such men would refuse to cooperate with a Godless court order. In America, a woman is not expected to obey her husband. So when a man thinks he is marrying a “Christian” woman who will obey him, and 10 years down the road she drags him into a heathen court system for a divorce, he is up a creek without a paddle. It is a frightening thing for a man to marry a woman in America nowadays."

Marriage is and ONLY should be a religious institution. The fact that it has become anything other is a sad thing. That is not what it was made for.

Also, Christianity is peaceful. You state it's not but I don't understand why.

Lol... I have not yet read that book but will now look into it. I look forward to your silly comments. As far as Lioness goes, I also look forward to her comments as well. Everyone is allowed to their opinion. Even if they are not correct.

Milton: It saddens me that you can't open your mind for a moment and read without your agenda. I was not at all trying to state that Men, good Woman, bad.

The bible was dictated by God. You guys would be just as skeptical if the Bible had just shown up out of no where from the heavens. Point being is there will always be an excuse not to believe.

Zikiru: The definiton of ignorant is: unware because of a lack of relevant information or knowledge. How was "Everyone is allowed to their opinion. Even if they are not correct." an ignorant statment. It is just a statement of my opinion. As we all know an opinion isn't fact.

Where is hatred in Christianity other than hating sin. Hate the SIN not the sinner. There is no hatred of people in true Christianity.

Where is the slavery in Christianity?
Slavery is: work done under harsh conditions for little or no pay. Also slavery is when someone is forced to serve. Christian women are not forced, we choose.

Lol... I never got the question hun. However, if your question is will I beat up Lioness. No, I will not as I'm not a violent person.

Alexandra: Very good points!!!

Answer 1

I think feminists FEAR the Bible and Christians, because deep down they know what they're doing is wrong, and they don't want to be told that they're wrong.

Feminism is hateful, the way I see it.

BTW--that's one of my favorite sites!

Answer 2

With due respect I didn't take out the time to read the rest of what you had to say; it wasn't that I believe it's a much of trash; it's just that I already had my answer, which is, I by no means am a feminist, yet I divorced my first husband because we were not compatible, end of story. What I am saying that even though I speak against feminism, feminism is not always the cause, the true cause is from within us.

Answer 3

Well, this is the Christian view of marriage... Please can we remember that there is more than one religion out there, all with differing views on the subject?

The Bible was written by and put together by humans - humans dictating the word of God, which necessarily limits the translation. Also the Bible has been through so many rewrites and mistranslations it isn't funny. Are bats still birds? Do we still bash babies' heads against rocks because God told us to? (Psalm 137)

What you believe is not necessarily what others believe, and since marriage is now a legal institution, please keep that in mind.

Personally - if the love isn't there anymore, what's the point of staying together? You're only hurting each other if you stay in a relationship that isn't working.

Answer 4

Who ever said that obeying one's husband in the name of God would ultimately equate a healthy marriage? A low divorce rate doesn't mean less bad marriages — it just means less freedom to escape them.

The early feminists weren't even thinking about obeying the Bible when they began their campaigns. They were thinking about earning the rights that all humans should have. Somehow I don't think Jesus would dislike that.

Answer 5

You are scary, and the people like you are scary.

You know what, Alexandra? I DO fear Christians that interpret the bible the way Baby #1 has, because they see nothing wrong with the torture and mistreatment of a whole group of people for no reason other then something they can't control, their gender. I don't fear Baby #1 because I know deep down that I am wrong and she is right, I fear her because of what her, and people like her, gaining influence will do to my family, my society, and my country.

Answer 6

You are more than welcome to view your marriage, under the Lord, however you see fit.

HOWEVER...marriage is a legal term as well. And, as you know, the law and the Bible differ on several points. Personally, I think you are a very mislead (or easily led) young lady who still believes in the nobility of man, both as a species and a gender.

Regardless, you do our country's Constitution a grave disservice by trying to define marriage in the limited context of the Christian religion.

Answer 7

You know when I worked in the law office one of the first DV cases I had was a woman whose minister made her believe that nonsense. Her husband beat and raped her almost daily, including the day she came home from the hospital after the birth of the second child. Of course she had to have surgery and she got an infection and nearly died. He blamed her for tempting him.

His violence escalated. He started hitting the children. And when he hit them he told her if she was a better mother he would not have to hit them. She was supposed to make them keep quiet. Cause as he told her "only men had value"
and women and children did not, and he had this "bible" and his minister to back him up.......

Well he ended up killing child #2. She lost the other two children because she FAILED TO PROTECT them from him. From JAIL he tried to get his family to control her. She was ordered by the court to divorce him, if she ever wanted the children back.

What about a man who brings home another woman? OR a man who decides he wants a divorce? The woman should not expect him to support his children? There are so many holes in your thinking its ridiculous.

Sorry, but I am a Christian and there are limits to what will happen in my life based upon a book written by men with superiority complexes. I am a feminist who knows that I am equal and have value equal any other human being. My church supports me as it realizes humans are fallible and human rights are important.

As I stated in response to previous postings what you advocate is not much different than the Islamic fundamentalists.

SNAPPY:

I disagree with you - no fault divorce allowed JUST as many men to divorce their wives for no reason. It removed the adultery thing in lots of states.

DV laws do apply to both- but getting MEN to come forward and admit they have been abused is the issue.......

I agree with you on society being undermined by out of wedlock births. But I can not see penalizing the child for the parents actions - children need support and contact from both.

Answer 8

So what your saying its alright for a man to beat his wife! is there somthing wrong with you would you let your husband beat you to a pulp to where you almost die! and then still love him and stay with him and not divorce him! You see I was going to answer this peacfully but you just kept talking about how woman and you! have no writes or should have no self respect for themselves because I think thats what your trying to say. Im ending this in I THOUGHT GOD WAS GOOD!!!!!!
NOT A SEXIST. i lied I do have 1 more thing to say sometimes the woman wheres the pants in the house and sometimes both or man just have the jobs, but some woman stick with men because the man loves his wife and the woman loves her husband. But sometimes the man beats his wife and she leaves because if he doesnt love her why stick with him. Razing your hand to your wife does not mean you love her it means you think she is worthless. So I have a question for you and please do answer why do you think she would still love him after he hits her. None of us here can say who has a better opinion I wanna ask another quetstion why put this up here if you say your opinion is correct not ares because you have no right to say your opinion is better.

Answer 9

I found this website by accident before, and the dude who created it is mental. I mean according to him if your spouse abuses you, that is not enough grounds to divorce him. (And that is one of the only times that I myself would consider divorce necessary)

And then his thing on "No scriptural background for divorce" is a lie. In either first or second Corinthians Paul wrote that If you marry either a person who is not a Christian and they don't want to live with you because of that, then you are no longer married and can marry someone else.

Answer 10

I don't agree with a woman not being able to leave her husband if he is genuinely abusive, but I do agree that domestic violence has been broadened and treated in a very biased manner and that has had an enormous effect on divorce.

The way we can fix the effect of domestic violence laws on marriage is to equally protect men from domestic violence, essentially subjecting women to the same laws which men are subject to. In this way feminists would never tolerate these unfair laws being equally applied to them, they would shrivel away into relative obscurity overnight and require some form of evidence in order to be meaningful.

That said, domestic violence laws, even in their current form of broadening what can be termed domestic violence, aren't the most anti-marriage concept that feminists have brought with them. The most anti-marriage law that sits at the top of the pile is no fault divorce.

No fault divorce enabled a woman to divorce her husband with ZERO reason. Usually cited are reasons such as "she got bored". This is as unacceptable from a Christian standpoint as it is from a human rights standpoint if there is division of assets, separation of custody and requirement of alimony and/or child support. Men are not slaves and it shouldn't be possible to break up families and make men into slaves for no reason.

Out of wedlock births are the biggest anti-family issue in the United States today.. 40% of births are out of wedlock. This is simply caused by the state of marriage, which dissuades men from marrying women they want a relationship with, and the fact that there are child support options available for women who take up this option and end up living alone.

If you want to restore the family in America you have to:

* Eliminate no fault divorce
* Apply domestic violence laws to both sexes equally
* Either force marriage in the case of pregnancy or give men reproductive rights to not be liable for child support and make parental assistance from the government a subsistence matter - thereby preventing out of wedlock births (I'm open to more ideas on this one).

Answer 11

And people wonder why I don't like religion/most religious people.

I don't need a 'god' telling me how to live. I don't need a DICTATOR. I don't want to be a slave-I never will be. Religion isn't going to change that.

EDIT-"Everyone is allowed their opinion, even if they are not correct" How ignorant.

Now, explain to me how christianity is peaceful? Last time I checked, hatred isn't peaceful. Slavery isn't peaceful.

Alexandra-so equalty is hateful, yet slavery is peaceful? That seems to be the christian view.

EDIT 2-
"God clearly mandated that the husband would rule over his wife

The Godly wife obeys her husband

I don’t care if he beats her, she won’t divorce him

ou probably won’t like this; but a husband has a God-given RIGHT to decide who his wife associates with, where she goes, when she goes there, when she has sex with him, how she dresses, etc"

Tell me how this isn't slavery? You've basically said that a woman isn't a human-she should be controlled by a man. She shouldn't be allowed to do as she pleases-she is to live miserably and to serve her husband.

But of course, someone who only knows dictionary definitions and can't think for themselves won't understand.

Satanism is more peaceful than christianity. Christianity promotes sexism and homopobia-both of which are VERY hateful.

I'm usually a very accepting person-but I can't accept christianity. I can't accept something that only brings hate and war to this world. I can't accept something that brainwashes people to degrade themselves and other people.

I feel bad for you, I hope that one day you escape your bubble and learn to be happy, I hope you learn that you shouldn't have to be dictated. I hope you learn self respect-or if you don't, at least lock yourself away so other people don't have to deal with your sexism.

BTW-feel free to email me if you wish to be educated.

EDIT 3- I won't be participating in this convo anymore by the way. If you want to further this and want to be educated, then you can email me.