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People tell me the trinity is three God's in one. Explain to me with verses from the bible how Jesus can be God. I believe Jehovah is the Father psalms83:18. And Jesus Christ is the Son. Galatians4:4
More proof: Jesus: Firstborn of God, used in creating all other thingsRev.3:14;Col.1:15-17.Made a man born of woman, lower than angels. Galatians4:4; Hebrews 2:9. Born of God's spirit, with destiny in heaven. Matthew 3:16, 17. Exalted higher than during prehuman existence. Php 2:9,10.
Jehovah, God
God's name "God" indefinite term; our Lord has a personal name. 1 Co 8:5,6. We pray for his name to be sanctified. Matthew 6:9,10. Jehovah is God's name. Ps. 83:18; Exodus 6:2,3; Exodus 3:15; Isaiah 42:8; Name in KJ. Exodus 6:3 (Dy footnotes). Psalms 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; Isaiah 26:4. Jesus made name known. John 17:6,26; John 5:43; John 12:12,13,28; God's existence. Impossible to see God and live. Exodus 33:20; John 1:18; 1 John 4:12. No need to see God to believe. Hebrews 11:1; Romans 8:24,

2007-09-21 23:05:30 · 15 answers · asked by Eve C 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Christianity is founded on the worship of Jesus Christ...The most distinctive Christian claim about God is that the Trinity, three persons in one. This is often thought to contradict the Hebrew notion of “the Lord is one” (Deuteronomy 6:4) and rightly so, for how can three be one? The answer is spelled out in the Athanasian creed, and to a lesser extent, the Nicene creed...throughout the Bible, we find subtle hints as to the triune nature of God...Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox Christians around the world stand united in their idea of the triune God.

The Players

Alexander of Alexandria: Bishop of Alexandria. Said Christ was the 'same substance' as the Father. Convened a council of bishops from Egypt and Libya to anathematize Arius and excommunicate him and his followers.

Athanasius: served as a deacon at the Council of Nicaea. He was strongly opposed to Arianism. He helped the Council decide against Arianism, and was later exiled. Also see Arianism

Constantine: Emperor of Rome. He called the Council of Nicaea to settle the dispute over Arianism. He was the Emperor who recognized Christianity as a legal religion and later tried to make it the state religion.

Eusubius, Bishop of Nicomedia and a supporter of Arius, would later baptize Constantine. Contrary to popular Christian myth, Constantine was a pagan and was baptized on his deathbed. He also never really made Christianity a state religion because Christians couldn't even agree on anything. The power grab of the pagan Trinitarians would be completed after his death.

It was 325 A.D. at Nicaea that the doctrine of the Trinity was rammed through by Athanasius in a Council that was overseen by the Emperor Constantine who, ironically enough, thought of himself as God-incarnate. (Constantine was a Sun Worshiper and only made an official conversion to "Christianity" on his deathbed). Roman coins of the period still portrayed the image of the sun God despite the alleged sudden adoption/conversion of Christianity. Many of those present at the Council Of Nicaea were opposed the doctrine of the Trinity, siding with Arius. Even after the Nicene Creed, the Trinity was still hotly debated for decades and centuries after.

A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE CHURCH AFTER NICAEA

325 AD - Constantine convenes the Council of Nicaea in order to develop a statement of faith that can unify the church. The Nicene Creed is written, declaring that "the Father and the Son are of the same substance" (homoousios). Emperor Constantine who was also the high priest of the pagan religion of the Unconquered Sun presided over this council. At the end of this council, Constantine sided with Athanasius over Arius and exiled Arius to Illyria.

328 AD - Athanasius becomes bishop of Alexandria.

328 AD - Constantine recalls Arius from Illyria.

335 AD - Constantine now sides with Arius and exiles Athanasius to Trier.

337 AD - A new emperor, Contantius, orders the return of Athanasius to Alexandria.

339 AD - Athanasius flees Alexandria in anticipation of being expelled.

341 AD - Two councils are held in Antioch this year. During this council, the First, Second, and Third Arian Confessions are written, thereby beginning the attempt to produce a formal doctrine of faith to oppose the Nicene Creed.

343 AD - At the Council of Sardica, Eastern Bishops demand the removal of Athanasius.

346 AD - Athanasius is restored to Alexandria.

351 AD - A second anti - Nicene council is held in Sirmium.

353 AD - A council is held at Aries during Autumn that is directed against Athanasius.

355 AD - A council is held in Milan. Athanasius is again condemned.

356 AD - Athanasius is deposed on February 8th, beginning his third exile.

357 AD - Third Council of Sirmium is convened. Both homoousios and homoiousios are avoided as unbiblical, and it is agreed that the Father is greater than His subordinate Son.

359 AD - The Synod of Seleucia is held which affirms that Christ is "like the Father," It does not however, specify how the Son is like the Father.

361 AD - A council is held in Antioch to affirm Arius' positions.

380 AD - Emperor Theodosius the Great declares Christianity the official state religion of the empire.

381 AD - The First Council of Constantinople is held to review the controversy since Nicaea. Emperor Theodosius the Great establishes the creed of Nicaea as the standard for his realm. The Nicene Creed is re-evaluated and accepted with the addition of clauses on the Holy Spirit and other matters.

In 380 AD Emperor Thedosius declares Christianity the state religion. One can come to the conclusion that whichever way Theodosius favors, that is the way in which it is going to end. This is exactly what happened next.

In 381 AD the struggle was finally ended by the current emperor, Theodosius the Great, who favored the Nicene position. Just like at Nicaea, the EMPEROR again decided it. The emperors were dictating the theology of the church.

The big difference now was that there was not going to be any more changing sides. It was now the state religion. You cannot make Christianity the state religion and then change its beliefs every few years. It would undermine its credibility as the true faith. The Trinity was now the orthodox position, and the state was willing to back it up with force.

For the most part, the Trinitarian church has silenced critical thought and dealt treacherously with anyone of open mind and free thought. In the 1670's, Isaac Newton quietly studied the Trinity and came to the conclusion that the doctrine was foisted on the Church by Athanasius in order to swell the numbers and fill the coffers. He concluded Arius was right and he claimed that the Bible had prophesied the Rise of Trinitarianism("this strange religion of the west", the cult of 3 equal gods) as the abomination of desolation.

2007-09-21 23:41:45 · answer #1 · answered by jkhawaja 4 · 0 1

The Blessed Trinity, like the other dogmas of the Catholic Church, is a belief that has been held since the teaching of Christ to the Apostles. The Trinity is not found clearly defined in any passage in Sacred Scripture, nor does the name "trinity" appear within its pages. However, in order to be considered "Christian," one must believe in the Trinitarian God. In the first centuries the Church sought to clarify what the Trinity was by deepening its own understanding and by defending it against errors. In order to do this, the Church had to develop its own terminology which is reflected the dogmatic statement:

"In God there are 3 Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each of the 3 persons possesses one Divine Substance."

The term "substance" designates the divine being in its unity (there is only one God); it doesn't mean that God has a size or shape. The term "person" designates the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (these persons are really distinct from each other).
Attempts to describe this relationship clearly always fall short. St. Patrick is credited with using the shamrock; one stem composed of three leaves. Others have used water; a material which exists as ice, liquid, and steam. No matter how it is described, the Trinity is three persons in one God.

Here are other Biblical citations to support the doctrine of the Holy Trinity.

"Then God said, ‘Let us make man in our image, after our likeness . . .’" (Gen. 1:26).

"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 28:19).

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1)

"But Peter said, ‘Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? How is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.’" (Acts 5:3-4)

"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all" (2 Cor. 13:14).

2007-09-21 23:25:03 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

I don't find the word trinity in my Bible...
if anyone were to trace the history of the trinity, the very fact that the absence of the word in the entire Bible speaks volumes.
The trinity concept was really formulated through a series of steps. Just as Jesus foretold, that he planted the good seed, and after him an enemy would over-sow the fields with bad seed, so it goes with the trinity.
Around the 4th century, the trinity started coming into focus with the raging debates over whether or not Jesus was of the same substance as Almighty God. This was voted in by the apostate Clergy class (Priests, Bishops, Cardinals-all unscriptural), and was even voted back out for a short time.
Later, when the Jesus=God belief came back into favor, others began promoting and personifying the Holy Spirit, and debating that the Holy Spirit was a third part of the already agreed upon Dualistic teaching of Jesus and God being co-equal and co-eternal.
Thus after much heated debate and years of councils, the Trinity was voted into reality, without much support from the scriptures.

2007-09-21 23:09:35 · answer #3 · answered by Tim 47 7 · 1 0

I'll type out these verse if you want and explain them furhter, but these verses give insight into trinity.
Gen 1:26, Matt 3:16, 17, Matt 28:19, John 14:16-18, 23, John 15:26, John 16:7-16, 2 Cor 13:14, Eph 4:4-6, 1 Pet 1:1,2, Gen 3:22, 11:6,7, Isa 63:7-14
You can e-mail me if you need help

2007-09-22 06:39:55 · answer #4 · answered by colway 4 · 0 1

Well, there are various shades and concepts of the trinity doctrine, some more valid than others. While the word trinity does not exist in the Bible, some concepts of the doctrine do exist...

Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

Matt. 28: 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

2007-09-21 23:19:29 · answer #5 · answered by Technoman 3 · 0 1

Jesus said when You see Me you see the Father.Look up John 1 Before the world was created the Word already existed he was with God and he was the same as God.In John 1v14 it saysThe Word became a Human Being and lived among us.(THAT IS JESUS) SO YOU HAVE GOD THE FATHER GOD THE SON AND NOW WE WELL FIND GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT.JESUS SAID I MUST LEAVE SO THE HELPER WILL COME THAT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT.BOTHERS AND SISTERS HELP ME SHOW THIS FINE PERSON WHERE THIS IS IN THE BIBLE> LOVE>

2007-09-21 23:15:16 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 3

The first century Christians referred to Jesus as “Lord” and in doing so acknowledged the deepest mystery of our faith but it was central as the confession of the incarnation of God in Jesus Christ. At the same time it was difficult to put into words or express with human understanding what was impressed upon the human spirit by the Spirit which was the intuitive knowledge that Jesus is God in the flesh. Theologians were perplexed for more than two centuries on how to place into proper context on even the most rudimentary parameters of this confession of the Church. The difficulty arose because they did not want to compromise either the deity or the humanity of Jesus. The Scriptural witness did not allow the early Church to consider Christ anything less than true God, or anything less that true man. The difficulty in understanding and explaining knowledge derived of the Spirit is that the mystery that defies explanation in a way that one can reasonably understand with their human intellect often reduces it to mere sophistry or logical contradiction. Like so many things of faith it is easier to dismiss understanding of the Spirit for human reason as if there must be some merger of intellect and faith for veracity. As the Scriptures suggest, in matters of faith we must accept with a childlike innocence and reason.

It is interesting to note that the first heresy facing the early Church was not defending His deity but His humanity. St. Tertullian said, “The human blood of our Lord was still smoking on the hills of Judea when there were some among us who said, He is not human.” As time went on it was also necessary to defend the divinity of Jesus against heresies because the Church realized that if the concept of Jesus’ humanity is removed, we do not have divinity left but instead we have nothing. The Christology of the early Church tells us that if we remove the deity of Christ, we do not have humanity left, instead we have nothing left. Therefore, the early Church was uncompromising on accepting any concept that departed from Jesus being fully man and fully God. The Council of Chalcedon in 451AD stated the following: that the distinction of natures is ”in no way annulled by the union, but rather the characteristics of each nature (is) preserved …coming together to form one person and subsistence (hypostasis) not as parted or separated into two persons, but one and the same Son and only begotten God the Word, Lord Jesus Christ.” Between the years 325AD (Nicaea) to 451AD (Chalcedon), the Church after four Ecumenical Councils had settled on four matters of doctrine in regards to the understanding of the person of Christ: His full deity, His full humanity, His unity in person, and the distinction of His two natures. May the Lord continue to bless you.

In Christ
Fr. Joseph

2007-09-21 23:25:45 · answer #7 · answered by cristoiglesia 7 · 0 1

The best 3-in-1 has got to be Nescafe. The others are merely also-rans.

2007-09-21 23:13:14 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

It's a Christian "theory"---Christ taught that God is within all of us---not just The Father,The Son & The Holy Spirit!!!

2007-09-21 23:11:56 · answer #9 · answered by huffyb 6 · 0 2

The most High Solar number, a trinity of sixes. Let He who hath knowledge, yada yada... misinterpretations abound.

2007-09-21 23:11:44 · answer #10 · answered by Invisible_Flags 6 · 1 0

The Trinity is Pagan, Maiden, Mother and Crone....
The concept was stolen by the early Christians, from the Egyptians, there is plenty of proof, as the Egyptian culture is far older than most and they left it in stone and hieroglyphs...
Blessed Be... )O(

2007-09-21 23:17:02 · answer #11 · answered by Bunge 7 · 1 2

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