Since Trinitarians say that the Trinity IS A MYSTERY;why do they then Quote Scriptures TO "TRY" prove it ?

Question

Personally; I find that 2 Bee an Even GREATER Mystery ! ! ! !!!!!!!!!!!

Answer 1

First let's define the word 'mystery' shall we;
1) Anything that is kept secret or remains unexplained or unknown.
2) Any affair, thing or person that presents features or qualities so obscure as to arouse curiosity or speculation.
This defination brings a few Scriptures to my mind.

2 Th 2:7 tells us: "True, the mystery of this lawlessness is already at work"...

"They worship what they do not know."
(can't find the Scripture)

Also, Jesus or Paul said:
"I have not held back from telling you healthful teachings."
(paraphrased, can't find Scripture)

Jehovah Has Opened the Way.---
He has revealed Himself to us.
In any friendship,
closeness is based on truly knowing a person,
valuing his qualitites and ways.
So if Jehovah were a hidden, unknowable God,
we could never be close to Him.
Yet, far from concealing Himself,
He wants us to know Him.--Isa 45:19
Furthermore,
what He reveals about Himself is available to all,
even to those of us who may be considered lowly by
the world's standards.--Matt 11:25
How had Jehovah revealed Himself to us.
His creative works make known certain aspects of His personality the vastness of His power,
the richness of His wisdom,
the abundance of His love. Rom 1:20
But Jehovah's revelation of Himself to us
does not stop w/ the things He created.
Ever the Great Communicator,
He provided a written revelation of Himself in His word,
the Bible.--Mal 3:16

The Son Is Willing to Reveal Him.--
In His word, Jehovah provides the most intimate
revelation of Himself through His beloved Son, Jesus.
No one could reflect God's thinking and feelings more closely or explain Him more vividly than Jesus did.
After all, that 1st-born Son existed alongside his Father
b4 other spirit creatures & the physical universe were created.-Col 1:15
Jesus was intimately acquainted w/ Jehovah.
That is why he could say:
"Who the Son is no one knows but the Father,
and who the Father is,
no one knows but the Son,
and he to whom the Son is willing to reveal Him."-Luke 10:22
When on earth as a man,
Jesus revealed his Father in 2 important ways:
1st through his teachings--Luke 15:11-24
2nd through his example--John 14:9

And lastly Rev 17:5 tells us:
----------And upon her forehead was written a name,------------
---------------a mystery: "Babylon the Great,-------------------------
------------------the mother of the harlots-------------------------------
------------and the disgusting things of the earth."------------------

So, people of the earth,
Who do YOU say is the "mystery" ?
Jehovah God or Babylon the Great ?

Answer 2

They say it's a mystery because they can't explain it. Imagine, the central theme of Christianity, but they can't explain it. It like saying "Jim is my best friend, but I have no idea why."

Trinirarians are confused people. To them, the Bible teaches the trinity. But does it? The trinity is based on the Catholic Athanasian Creed, which says, in part: "And in this Trinity none is afore or after Other, None is greater or less than Another, but the whole Three Persons are Co-eternal together, and Co-equal."

Okay, now look below at the scriptures that are used to support the trinity. Do you see ONE VERSE that says the three "persons" of the so-called godhead are co-equal and co-eternal? NOT One! So, where is the trinity? NOWHERE!

The trinity concept is such a mystery that it is found nowhere in the Bible, even though millions of people think it is.

Answer 3

If Jesus was the first of God's creations, then how can he be God? that doesn't make any sense.

Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist, 18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things; 19 because [God] saw good for all fullness to dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile again to himself all [other] things by making peace through the blood [he shed] on the torture stake, no matter whether they are the things upon the earth or the things in the heavens.

Revelation 3:14 “And to the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ce´a write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God,

Answer 4

This is still a touchy subjuct for my mom & I. Growing up, and even into my adult years, I never could understand the concept even though I was raised in the Lutheran school & church. When discussing scriptures w/ my mom, she still can't explain nor understands the concept of the Trinity. She said I should accept it for being true because that is what the church teaches. *Sigh* When quoting scripture, you need to read the verses before and after (the specific scripture) to get the full understanding of what is being said. I will only accept what Gods Holy Word teaches, not a churches dogma. Mom still reminds me that my dad and grandparents would "roll over in their graves" if they knew I have become a Witness of Jehovah. ;)

Answer 5

More and more mysteries. Why CONTINUE to attempt to prove a mystery? Why try to explain a fax machine to a hamster?
Since God wants us to draw close to him (James 4:8) and he is not far off from us (Acts 17:26-27), an all powerful and omniscient God has no difficulty making himself known to us in clear straightforward, undisguised terms.

Answer 6

Same reason people use any scripture to talk about the rather numinous nature of God. That's how HE tells us about Himself.

Now whether or not the trinity is true (I believe it is, but that's not the point), understand that God explaining Himself to humans is a little bit like us explaining fax machines to a hamster. You have to find kind of, er, hamster-y ways to explain it to the hamster. But still, the hamster, being the hamster, just doesn't have the brain to comprehend some of what you're telling it.

Same with God and us. How do you explain how Jesus could be both God and man? How do explain how God is all knowing but we still have free will? How do you explain how God has always, just, BEEN? It's just not really possible to understand fully, so what better way to try and explain than to use the words the Lord chose to explain *Himself*?

I have no idea if you're a Christian, and if you are if you're oneness or what. But I think my point still stands even if you disagree with the trinity and even if trinitarians are wrong. If I asked you a question about Bob and you wanted to answer it, wouldn't the best way be for you to quote Bob, even if you're misrepresenting him by using his own words out of context?

Answer 7

As Jesus said at John 4:22 says: "We worship what we know," not mysteries. Good point, sir.

James 4:8 says: "Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you." How can you draw close to someone if you do not know exactly who or what they are?

The origins of the Trinity doctrine should be enough for any honest-hearted Christian to ignore it.

Answer 8

Question: "What does the Bible teach about the Trinity?"

Answer: The most difficult thing about the Christian concept of the Trinity is that there is no way to adequately explain it. The Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand, let alone explain. God is infinitely greater than we are, therefore we should not expect to be able to fully understand Him. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also teaches that there is only one God. Though we can understand some facts about the relationship of the different persons of the Trinity to one another, ultimately, it is incomprehensible to the human mind. However, this does not mean it is not true or not based on the teachings of the Bible.

Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word "Trinity" is not used in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God, the fact that there are 3 coexistent, co-eternal persons that make up God. Understand that this is NOT in any way suggesting 3 Gods. The Trinity is 1 God made up of 3 persons. There is nothing wrong with using the term "Trinity" even though the word is not found in the Bible. It is shorter to say the word "Trinity" than to say "3 coexistent, co-eternal persons making up 1 God." If this presents a problem to you, consider this: the word grandfather is not used in the Bible either. Yet, we know there were grandfathers in the Bible. Abraham was the grandfather of Jacob. So don't get hung up on the term "Trinity" itself. What should be of real importance is that the concept that is REPRESENTED by the word "Trinity" does exist in Scripture. With the introduction out of the way, Bible verses will be given in discussion of the Trinity.

1) There is one God: Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5.

2) The Trinity consists of three Persons: Genesis 1:1; 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8; 48:16; 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17; Matt 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14. In the passages in the Old Testament, a knowledge of Hebrew is helpful. In Genesis 1:1, the plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26; 3:22; 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for "us" is used. That "Elohim" and "us" refer to more than two is WITHOUT question. In English, you only have two forms, singular and plural. In Hebrew, you have three forms: singular, dual, and plural. Dual is for two ONLY. In Hebrew, the dual form is used for things that come in pairs like eyes, ears, and hands. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun "us" are plural forms - definitely more than two - and must be referring to three or more (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).

In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of 3 distinct persons in the Trinity.

3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages: In the Old Testament, "LORD" is distinguished from "Lord" (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The "LORD" has a "Son" (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). Spirit is distinguished from the "LORD" (Numbers 27:18) and from "God" (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, John 14:16-17 is where Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit. This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all of the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another person in the Trinity - the Father.

4) Each member of the Trinity is God: The Father is God: John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2. The Son is God: John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20. The Holy Spirit is God: Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16 (The One who indwells is the Holy Spirit - Romans 8:9; John 14:16-17; Acts 2:1-4).

5) The subordination within the Trinity: Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship, and does not deny the deity of any person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see: Luke 22:42; John 5:36; John 20:21; 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see: John 14:16; 14:26; 15:26; 16:7 and especially John 16:13-14.

6) The tasks of the individual members of the Trinity: The Father is the ultimate source or cause of: 1) the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); 2) divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); 3) salvation (John 3:16-17); and 4) Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father INITIATES all of these things.

The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: 1) the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); 2) divine revelation (John 1:1; Matthew 11:27; John 16:12-15; Revelation 1:1); and 3) salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.

The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: 1) creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); 2) divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); 3) salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and 4) Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.

None of the popular illustrations are completely accurate descriptions of the Trinity. The egg (or apple) fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are not parts of God, each of them is God. The water illustration is somewhat better but still fails to adequately describe the Trinity. Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration. Instead of focusing on the Trinity, try to focus on the fact of God's greatness and infinitely higher nature than our own. "Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out! Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?" (Romans 11:33-34)

Answer 9

Awesome Question.

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Answer 10

That makes no sense. Are you even listening to yourself, or do you really don't know what they mean by "mystery"?

By "mystery" they mean that God is something beyond human experience, so there is no reason to try to figure out how the trinity works.

But the Bible obviously says that God is a trinity, or else we would not believe it.