Why Is It These Global warming Zealots Are So Abusive - Are They afraid Of an open and Honest Debate.?

Question

Some critics of my claim that Global Warming is a lie became rather abusive i.e' Try reading the scientists' reports instead of the media'

Except for the online magazine the Nottinghamshire Times the media seem to be revelling in publishing global warming scare stories.

As for reading scientific reports, I do frequently, and the comments I make are from those reports that are freely available on the internet.

The famous Hockey stick Graph is another dodgy dossier, Al Gore had to eliminate the medieval warm period to make it look as though there had been a sudden rise in the earth's temperature. Not true, it's a lie.

Green taxes are nothing but a tax levied by deception, and the Czech President was right. "Green Zealots are a bigger threat to democracy than the communists."

Answer 1

I agree. When it comes to scholarly research, you have to look at the money. Where does the research money come from, and how does the research facility ensure that they get future funding. The answer is fear.

That being said - I don't necessarily negate that me may be in a period of warming. What I do question is the extent to which humans are responsible and the extent to which humans can counter it. Indeed -assuming for the sake of argument that the G.W. zealots are correct, by their own statistics we'd have to have a complete deindustrialization to even make a dent.

Does this mean I'm not in favor of alternative fuels, conversation and reduced pollution? Of course not, they all have multiple benefits including improving of national security, quality and length of life. But we don't have to be scared into these positive changes. Haven't we had enough lies from the government and so-called "experts"?


I tend the think that the Earth has a knack at maintaining an equilibrium with a few degrees here or there - might cause a little pain - but I doubt it will rise to the level of chaos that some predict.

I might be a little biased living in Wisconsin - we wouldn't mind it being a little warmer here. :)

Answer 2

They are "True Believers" who are almost all of a Leftist mindset. They are in denial of the possibility that they could be wrong. They mindlessly support "Doing Something" without having the slightest idea of what its impact would be. To them anyone who disagrees with them must be stupid, because they know they are right. To achieve the goals they believe in they are willing to change the evidence, lie, libel, slander and denigrate the opposition.

Look at the temperature records from the end of the Ice Age until now, the Holocene Era, the ones the GW supporters haven't doctored to make their theories work. Look at solar activity records they haven't suppressed. We have been warming up from the medieval Little Ice Age which really ended about 1815. Look at the earlier warm period when the Vikings grew wheat in Greenland. Actually calculate the tiny amount of CO2 human activity produces and ask yourself if reducing that, destroying technological civilisation, is worth slowing climate change by an infinitesimal amount. Remember that one large volcanic eruption cam put more greenhouse gasses into the air than all of human activity throughout history.

They will call you a "denier" a label which implies you oppose the truth. A Zealot is just someone who fiercely believes in something. Unfortunately the GW people refuse to listen in a spirit of give and take, because their personalities are incapable of that. A true Leftist has the same type of personality, don't try to confuse them with facts, because their tiny minds are already made up.

Answer 3

Debate ? But that would mean they have to be honest about their claims. The earth goes through a warming/cooling cycle about every 20 years. Check your history. Twenty years ago, the coming ice age was the scare tactic. In fact, drastic reactions could make things WORSE, not better. This is nothing more then Al Gore crying about the 2000 election

Answer 4

I think we have to consider global warming in terms of consumption. The more people there are on the planet consuming resources is going to create waste and that means pollution.

To imagine that carbon emissions from transport and industry does not pollute the atmosphere is very naieve. This is the same mindset as those who crap in the Nile and wonder how they get dysentery when they drink from it.

In order to tackle the problem there needs to be a global consensus between nations otherwise the UK going it alone wont make any significant difference.

Answer 5

I agree that global warming is too over rated in todays media. I do however think there should still be research carried out and action progressively applied to certain aspects of modern day life. I think there is alot of unfair judgement on 4x4 drivers, and thats one of the main things people are getting frustrated about when they moan about global warming. The carbon emissions on modern 4x4 vehicles are not that bad, and alot of these old bangers you see still driving around, even little 1.4 fiestas, can emit equally as much carbon into the atmosphere as a relatively new range rover, and are just as thirsty on fuel.

Answer 6

Could you cite some of this abuse, put in context and present a balanced argument by giving a balanced representation of the debate.

Some people who believe that glaobal warming is happening get frustrated bet because they fear the consequences of GW, feel disempowered and see the sceptics and the SUV drivers as blockages to progress being made.

It is sad that it takes a sceptic set piece question to bring out such a raft o answers, I am beggining to to wonder if any proper debate goes on round here. You haven't even cited these abusive zealots.

Personally I don't think the sceptics are an important group in the wider debate on GW and aren't worth getting abusive about.

Answer 7

"Why Is It These Global warming Zealots Are So Abusive - Are They afraid Of an open and Honest Debate.?"

Of course calling someone a "Zealot" doesn't really open up the subject to a open and honest debate - Believe in global warming or deny it - putting the question in such an abusive way does tend towards swinging the opinions towards your belief system!

I personally believe that humans are affecting this planet in a major way, one only has to see the amount of animals and plants that are heading towards extinction to see that we are messing up in a big way!

Even if you don't believe that we are affecting the world, do you really want to live on a planet which has pollution everywhere? where most forms of life have been wiped out? where you can not swim at the seaside for all the plastic and oil and sewage that increasingly cover the oceans?

We only have one planet, lets not wreck it any more than we already have!

Answer 8

First of all, the real issue in not whether or not there is Global Warming, for certainly, the vast majority of scientists believe are admitting this. There is not one schorlarly report you can find in the past 5 years denying the global temperatures are rising. The issue is whether or not it is HUMAN INDUCED. Are the activities of humans, namely the release of so called greenhouse gases causing this event.

The truth is, this is a far more complicated question that only a few scientists in the world are really qualified to answer, but even at that, the majority of them have come to the conclusion that indeed, humans are causing GW through our activities the produced exess CO2 beyond what the earth's natural systems can absorb.

I think you are totally wrong is saying GW believers won't debate this. It's happening everyday on hundreds of blogs and radio and television. But really, you are a few years behind the curve here...the debate is over as to whether it exists and is human caused...the real debate is related to what we should or can do about it.

But if you still want to have a debate, I'd gladly step up to the plate...after you at least look at the site: www.realclimate.org

Answer 9

Al Gore has very little to do with global warming, except as he is involved with public education. The physics behind the theory involves us currently bringing to the surface, about 85 millions barrels of oil, about 85% of which is carbon, and about 16 million tons of coal, also about 85% of which is carbon, every day, and setting fire to all of it, turning all that carbon into atmospheric carbon dioxide. That level of daily carbon dioxide production has never taken place, before, in the history of Earth. Most of that carbon dioxide remains in the atmosphere for a hundred years or more, and makes the atmosphere act like it is fogged over in the infrared part of the light spectrum, making it harder for surface heat to escape (shine) into space. So the surface has to get warmer to shine brighter in the infrared to reach thermal equilibrium between heat arriving from the sun as non infrared wavelengths and energy leaving, mostly as as infrared wavelengths from the warm surface. The rise in surface temperature also increases the water vapor the air can hold, and water is an even more effective greenhouse gas (an infrared fog over more of the infrared spectrum and increased actual clouds) than carbon dioxide is. As the oceans and tundra warm, they release huge stored reserves of methane, another very efficient green house gas. So there is a large multiplier effect and a possible thermal runaway to Venus like conditions that has never happened before, on this planet, since it was entirely molten. Global warming is not a problem we will have with being warm, but with going extinct, along with most other currently living species. We are already so screwed. -- Regards, John Popelish

Answer 10

Yes they are very afraid of it. Most of them are following other agendas and just use this issue as a platform.

I went to one of these London festivals recently and there was a stall from Friends of the earth and another from one of these Green energy providers. The friends of the earth people were trying to get people to sign a petition demanding "strict laws to protect the planet". When I started asking them precisely what laws do they want, they got very aggressive. The reason was that they had no idea!!! But if you ask them about Palestine, war in Iraq, the G8, capitalism then they have very strong views. The green energy people were much nicer but again had no idea when you ask them for details on the product they are trying to sell.

This issue is best left in the hands of science. There is no room for pressure groups and political or ideological movements.