I believe that until the fulness of Christianity & Gospel around the world happens. And so all Israel shall be saved... (Romans11:25b+)
So? Are Israels eyes opened & they are saved after the fulness of the gentiles comes in?
2007-09-21 08:59:39 · 22 answers · asked by t_a_m_i_l 6 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Danny Dangerous, I don't believe in putting smoke in my lungs. That is unhealthy.
2007-09-21 09:26:25 · update #1
But if you want some of that new wine from heaven, I can help you there. But Gods Kingdom might take advantage of you.
2007-09-21 09:27:20 · update #2
Feivel, Just read Romans 11:25+. OK? This is prophetic & it was shown to me today. I never saw it this clearly before.
2007-09-21 09:29:13 · update #3
skepsis, Good point. I think this is the fulness of the Body of Christ, Those who believe in Jesus Christ (Jewish Savior) around the world. Obviously not all gentiles are believing in Christ. But there is going to be born again Christians from all nations when the fulness of the Gentiles come in.
2007-09-21 09:32:23 · update #4
stlouis, there is nothing dispensational about my question or my belief. What do you mean by dispensational?
2007-09-21 09:39:43 · update #5
The Lord uses his Promises recorded in scripture to bring about his will on the earth. Many of these promises were to Israel and it is because of these promises to this people group that the whole world is saved.
God promised them that if they disobeyed and followed false gods, he would scatter them to the farthest corners of the earth. They did he did.
He promised them that if he did scatter them he would one day remember them and come looking for them to bring them back to their land.
When Jesus came he told his disciples to tarry in Jerusalem until they were given power from on high. then they would be his witnesses beginning at Jerusalem, then to Samaria (Samaria was the ten tribes of Israel that were scattered to Northern Israel, and the near by nations) then to the farthest places of the earth.
This means when the disciples came looking for the Jew and the lost tribes of Israel they also came to you and I and now we are saved.
The scripture tells us that Israel will again be grafted in after the fullness of the Gentiles has come. So there remains a day when Israel will have their eyes opened to the gospel.
2007-09-21 09:25:19 · answer #1 · answered by Bobby B 4 · 1⤊ 2⤋
Until can mean a couple of things. It can mean things will change but it doesn't always mean they will. I believe that Israel is the Israel of heart, not the Israel of flesh only. The natural Israel is blind in part until the fulness of the Gentiles come in but if they refuse to join the Gentiles and come in they won't be saved "anyway." We're in the New Covenant now which makes the Old one obsolete. See Hebrews 8
2007-09-21 10:46:54 · answer #2 · answered by Lover of Blue 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
in the final days, because of the fact the final of the Gentiles become believers, genuine Israel is entering the understanding of who they're. They lost their id over the years as quickly as they went into captivity. The historic previous in God's be conscious is their historic previous and the Bible turns into extra own for them. that's a secret (a hidden or secret factor, not obvious to the information) and isn't revealed till God makes a decision this is time. In Romans 9:27, it says that.. however the style of the infants of Israel be because of the fact the sand of the sea, a remnant would be saved: that occurs with the aid of information of Christ
2016-11-06 01:34:59 · answer #3 · answered by apley 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Gentiles always had "the way in". The Church teaching that Gentiles were excluded is a lie.
The sacrifices were made for ALL the nations, in the Temple. After the Temple was destroyed, God says in the book of Hosea, LONG before Jesus, that "the prayers of your lips shall serve as the bulls of sacrifice" in order to obtain forgiveness, from THEN ON.
No human virgin pagan blood sacrifice for sin. This is an abomination to God. This is what Jesus was. No different than the ancient Mayans or Aztecs or Baal worshippers who sacrificed humans for forgiveness and to appease the gods.
This has never, ever, ever been the role of the Messiah as given by God on Mt. Sinai.
The 7 Noahide Universal Laws were given to ALL nations to follow as their way to merit a place in the World To Come and to be Righteous Gentiles.
There has never existed any "blind Israel" or "fullness of the Gentiles to come in". Both of these are church lies. Meant to discredit the Jews, first of all, and secondly, it was meant to turn the gentiles FROM following the 7 Noahide Laws which did not require giving money or property to ANY religion, TO following the Church and having to do both.
If you would like to be a Righteous Gentile in the manner given by God on Mt. Sinai, and which has never changed, please live by the 7 Noahide Laws as you were given to do as a Gentile. This is your merit for a place in the world to come.
http://www.noahide.org
2007-09-21 09:11:37 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
You are what we call a classic Dispensational. You probably do not even realize this either. When Jesus died on the cross he died for the Jews and the Gentiles. God expects the Jews to believe and Worship Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and He expects the Gentiles to do the same. Dispensationalism teaches something contary to this. Dispensationalism teaches two coventant theory. Fear not I was once of the same mind frame as you are. I have now, however, grown out of that dispensational mind frame. I suggest you read up on a man named John Nelson Darby.
2007-09-21 09:31:57 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
God is not saying that all of Israel will be saved. God has chosen all Christians to be saved Jews and Gentiles.
Gospel means the good news. God calls us to christianity. It is God's choice not any mans be it Jew or gentiles. God does not base Salvation on a race or greed. God looks at the heart.
Israel is beginnig to understand the spiritual influence of God.All of them are not in the dark. Just like some all others they too some will be rejected in unbelief.
God has a plan for man! John 17. Jesus said it all.
2007-09-21 09:13:02 · answer #6 · answered by God is love. 6 · 2⤊ 2⤋
It depends on what is meant by "fullness", doesn't it? Do all the Gentiles have to convert or just hear the preaching? I think it means that if EVERY Gentile were convinced to become a Christian, then the Jews would probably decide to as well. Don't hold your breath.
2007-09-21 09:10:55 · answer #7 · answered by skepsis 7 · 1⤊ 1⤋
I think you'll find that it's nonsense like that statement that started all this off in the first place.
How about we drop the god stuff for a bit and see it for the conflict it is.
Conflicts take compromise to settle, not inflammatory ignorance.
Look at Northern Ireland. [it's near England- just off to the left ]. The recent peace there is not as a result of either religion 'winning' but by both parties meeting on middle ground.
Or yes, you could take over the world and just make everyone think your way.
2007-09-21 09:10:29 · answer #8 · answered by Yosemite Sam 2 · 0⤊ 1⤋
I don't even understand the question and I thought my English was pretty good.
Most Israeli's are Jews and not Gentiles and we do not believe in the divinity of Jesus.
I should point out here though that we have continued to survive and thrive against overwhelming odds and often in the face of Gentile discrimination.
How is that saving us?
I don't get it.
2007-09-21 09:07:15 · answer #9 · answered by Feivel 7 · 3⤊ 1⤋
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2007-09-21 09:11:02 · answer #10 · answered by Premaholic 7 · 0⤊ 2⤋