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In luke 16:19-25. In my studys of this i found a very interesting phrase (there was). Any time in the bible when Jesus said there was he was telling a true story about someone, because if it was not true then he could't say there was or he'd be liying. It's not a parable because in parables he never quoted names, he used points are things to illistrate a point. I'ts funny how just a few words can unlocke things in the bible. What do you think about this it decribes hell. Please dont say how can God send any one to hell, thats not he's will it's a choice we make.

2007-09-21 03:05:32 · 14 answers · asked by christians power 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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We believe that the story is a parable, which was the usual method Christ employed in His teaching, even though here, as in various other instances, He does not specifically so state. We therefore seek to find just what lesson Christ was trying to teach, and do not attempt to make the parable prove anything more than this. Evidently Christ was wishing to rebuke the Pharisees, "who were covetous." Luke 16:14. They, indeed many of the Jews, thought that riches were a sign of God's favor, and poverty of His displeasure. Christ drove home the one primary lesson, that the reward
awaiting the covetous rich, who have naught but crumbs for the poor, was the very opposite of what the Jews believed

2007-09-21 03:19:56 · answer #1 · answered by Andy Roberts 5 · 0 1

Okay, let's see.
At John 3:13 Jesus expressly tells us that as that time no man had ascended to Heaven. At Acts 2:34 we see that David didn't go to heaven either, but remained in his tomb. Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10 makes it clear that after death one resides in Hell (sheol), which is no more than a sleep-like state of inactivity (plz excuse the redundance).

For the account about the rich man and Lazarus to be true, automatically we're looking at a contradiction, because Abraham couldn't be in heaven when Jesus hadn't opened the way up by means of his shed blood yet.
Also, how ridiculous is it to believe that a drop of water off some1's finger would be ANY relief at ALL on the tip of the tongue of some1 burning in Hell? Why would the rich man ask for such a minimal accomodation?




The parable about the rich man and Lazarus applied to the favored spiritual position of the religious leaders and the debased condition of the common people. Jesus' ministry and establishment of the congregation would change that.
The last few lines of the parable bring the point home: The Pharisees had the benefit of knowing the Laws of Moses and the Writings of the Prophets to help them identify Jesus as the Messiah, yet they still rejected him. Notice that after rising from the dead, Jesus made no personal appearances to any of them, but only to his disciples, most of whom were poor ordinary people.

2007-09-21 10:34:11 · answer #2 · answered by DwayneWayne 4 · 0 0

It is a good passage for the description of the break between heaven and hell and how there can be no crossing once one is in either place. It also explains why God doesn't send people back from the dead to tell us about heaven or likewise use other big signs. He wants us to believe those who represent him on earth and have faith. That would be a good passage for a Bible study.


Anyone who says there is no reference to Hell in the Bible has never read it. Likewise, you didn't read this passage before you answered the question about it.
Luke 16:22-23 "-The rich man also died and was buried. IN HELL (*emphasis mine*), where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away with Larazus by his side."

2007-09-21 10:13:12 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 2 2

that's an interesting thought u got there!
well, then apparently the story is true.. We shouldnt wonder, cuz Jesus was living in heaven first, i bet He saw the whole thing happen. Notice that Lazarus wasnt even buried..
but anyway, i bet u've noticed that there's Hades (Hell) and then there's some other place that's often mentioned in Revelation. It says that hell will be thrown into that place, which is worse. So im guessing, from hell, the souls can see heaven, but from that second place--no. because what kind of joy would it be in heaven, if they could see the sufferings of hell, right?

if you notice something else like that, make sure you post it! this was like the only useful post i saw today..

2007-09-21 10:08:31 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1 2

I think the passage is a good description of what can happen. The rich man was punished because he did not help Lazarus. He choose his fate by not helping the Lazarus. I think you make an interesting point about the use of names in the passage. I agree that it would seem to make it a true story. It seems very likely that this kind of situation has occurred many times and it would easy for Christ to use an example with the name of Lazarus.

2007-09-21 10:13:58 · answer #5 · answered by gerafalop 7 · 1 2

Without looking it up, I believe this is the story of Lazarus the beggar. It talks about the "great gulf" between heaven and where the rich mans is.

I think it paints a very clear picture of what hell is:

Eternal torment & seperation from God. Doesn't get any more clear than this.

Jesus Himself also describes hell eslewhere in Scripture when He says it will be a place of "weeping & gnashing of teeth"

For those who deny the reality of hell......I pray that you would wake up and turn to Christ while you still can.

2007-09-21 10:09:35 · answer #6 · answered by primoa1970 7 · 3 3

I think that you are grasping at straws to prove a pagan concept from Egyptian Greek Roman and Babylonian mythology is also a Biblical concept.

Please go to this link:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=ApDkC92_qtg5ECxvgjMhsGXty6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20070918074743AAmKdQo&show=7#profile-info-OUCVY4kdaa

And then this one:

http://www.cog21.org/site/cog_archives/booklets/Life%20After%20Death.htm

and then this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dante%27s_Inferno

And then you are on your own!

Or you could email me for more links.

2007-09-21 10:17:48 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0 2

You are absolutely right, and I'm glad someone else other then me said it for a change. It is our choice where we go, it's called free will, and God gave it to us so we weren't' robots

2007-09-21 10:21:10 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1 2

I think that before you try to draw meaning from a book, you should establish if it is fiction or fact. Factual books have evidence that what they claim is true, what evidence is there for the bible?

2007-09-21 10:12:25 · answer #9 · answered by Pirate AM™ 7 · 0 4

I think it was created for a purpose and will soon be fullfilling its purpose.

2007-09-21 10:17:54 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

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