Will the deniers take the time to read this?

Question

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm#L_1988

The above link tells the history of the science of CO2 as a greenhouse gas and its contribution to global warming.

This is a must read for everyone that claims that

- Man made global warming is a conspiracy
- the computer models aren't reliable
- CO2 doesn't drive climate
- The theory is invented by Al Gore
- other silly arguments

Yes, it's a long read but if you can't take the time to read stories that debunk your arguments then you are just irresponsible deniers and your counter arguments don't deserve to be taken seriously.

Permaculture byderule:
Ooops, maybe they can't read... I hope I didn't embarrassed them now? lol.

pb_xtreme2003:
No, I meant exactly what I wrote. I've read more arguments from the skeptics than I can count. Some of their arguments are still being evaluated, many are flaws and other arguments are just pure irresponsible lies. If the deniers just took an ounce of their time to research some of these claims they would soon find out about this. But they don't. They just continue to spread false rumours. That's denial, not skeptisism and it makes me angry and frustrated!

Baaah, thanks to Mr Jello I realized a big mistake I did. I linked to the section describing the history after 1988. I did intend to link to the beginning of the story which is more important:

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

PLEASE use this link or scroll up to the beginning of the story to read.

I never knew I could actually be helped by a denier like Mr Jello and since you bothered to open the link maybe I should start to take you seriously from now on? :-)

Here's the right link again: http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

B t w, I've never said that CO2 rised before temperatures did in the past. But it's a fact that they also can drive temperature. You can read more about it in the link.

Also lately you (Mr Jello) have started to add links to support your claims. That's impressing and a big step forward. :-)

NOTE: I've remade the question. Please post your answers here instead:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AgJ1bcHDnOx10z_e8LTOwzrsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20070921052339AAjgp8H

Answer 1

deniers can read ?
,that makes it even sadder ,
that they are still in deniel

Answer 2

Wow! I see how heart felt essays can stir up emotions in people.

This is why science sticks with facts.

Dr. Hansen is not objective when it comes to global warming. Information from him is tainted as Exxon-Mobile data. Once a person gets paid to endorse political candidates and a political point of view, he trades in his objectivity.

CO2 does indeed lag temps as the data in the Vostok ice core samples prove. To say that CO2 doesn't lag temps is denial of reality.

I don't think anyone is saying the Earth isn't warming, it is. The Earth is either warming or cooling as the climate can never be static. The cause is natural. Man is just too insignificant to influence the climate.

You believe that man is the cause of the problem. Your past post show your contempt of man and your altruistic views. This is expected. That's why we need to stick with objective data that can be verified by anyone, not just climatologist.

pb_xtreme2003 - Right! To call people "deniers" is an intimidation tactic. It's what people do when they don't have the strength of the data on their side. A variant of this is to call someone a racist. The goal of the accuser is to trip you up proving that you really aren't a "denier" or "racist". It's rather cheezy, but it's all they have in their limited world.....

Don't let the name calling and insults get to you. It just proves they have no interest in objectivity.

Added: - I never stated co2 doesn't cause warming. I have stated that there is no proof that man is the cause. You have a lower standard of proof. While you believe, you still can't tell me 2 years from now will be warmer or cooler, and show your work for how you came to your conclusion. You can only make a claim for what you believe, and faith isn't science.

I believe the Sun is the biggest source of heat. This is only my opinion, I have no proof. I suspect that in 2 years the Earth will start to enter a long cooler period. Again, my opinion.

The Vostok ice cores clearly show that temps do decrease while co2 continues to increase. This happens for 800 years until co2 starts to decline. There is no reason to expect this can't happen again in the future. Co2 is linked to temps, not the other way around.

Answer 3

co2 science.org

http://www.philvalentine.com/index.shtml
Click on the global warming link.

All the conclusions from the studies done on man's influence on global warming are theoretical.There is not a "fact" among them.The only fact that I have observed is that people no longer know the difference between fact and theory.Thanks to government schools our population has been dangerously dumbed down.

Answer 4

Deniers are basically people who dont want to see the truth, they want to live in a cozy , comfortable world feeling everything is ok and continue with their current lifestyle irrespective of its consequences.

Answer 5

dont you mean to say if you wont read it and agree with my point of view then your counter arguments arent worth anything. and it debunks it from your point of view maybe not someone elses. see your just as bad as the people your bitching about. if you had said read it because it provides a factual counter argument then fine. but your doing the same thing. being just as closed minded as the people who you are trying to get to agree with you.