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Am I allowed to drink during this day?

I want to convince my mother to let me observe this day, but because we are Christians she said we don't have to, and she also feels that I may fall ill, since this would be my first time without food for so long.

And in additon, I know this isn't just a play holiday, it's a very important one, and I plan to take it very seriously, I choose the word try for lack of a better word. So I apologize.

So would drinking water and tea and such be alrite for this day? I'm hoping that would convince her....


Thank you so much!

2007-09-20 15:08:55 · 9 answers · asked by ♥Alley♥ 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Chdoctor, I very much appreciate your reference to Hebrews, but I feel that yearning (prompted by the Almighty of course) to learn about the roots of my religon, and although Jesus had cleansed of us our sins, I feel it's important though to still compensate and acknowledge our sins.

Thank you so much though!

2007-09-20 15:36:57 · update #1

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Hi-I read the statement just above mine. I used to believe the way those who follow the Rabbis did, too. Then I read the full books, and I now see where it is NOT being Jewish to follow the rabbis who do not follow Jesus. Look up in Wikipedia what Pharisees means, then look up how the Levites, who became the Pharisees who became the Rabbis were created, They were never given the Promised land, as others were, maybe because HaShem knew they would not stay True to His word.

I am a 54 year old Messianic Jew, who observes Torah, reads both books because I believe one fulfills the prophesies of the other, and that all the prophesies that Yeshua/Jesus came to fulfill were in the Tenakh (the Law, Prophets, and Writings) that many call the Old testament.

What made the New testament a New Covenant is NOT that the Laws of Moses were thrown out, or even that, as I have read so many times, that Jesus contradicted the Torah.

THE WAYS TO PREPARE AND OBSERVE YOM KIPPUR FROM A MESSIANIC PERSPECTIVE- It includes something called the Daniel fast, which is a compromise if you want-http://biblicalholidays.com/Yom-Kipppur/observing.htm

TO BETTER UNDERSTAND YOM KIPPUR FROM A JEWISH/BOTH RABBINIC AND MESSIANIC PERSPECTIVE
http://biblicalholidays.com/yom_kippur.htm

TO UNDERSTAND MORE ABOUT HOW AND WHY THE NEW TESTAMENT IS A FULFILLMENT, NOT ABOLISHMENT OF THE OLD TESTAMENT...
Read Isaiah 53, Read Isaiah 59 and 63-and know that Pharisee means "separated." In the Torah-the first 5 books of the Old testament-HaShem separated Aaron and his sons from the rest of the people. He told them they would receive the wealth, the tithes, and not inherit the land. He said that what He wanted of them was for them to make sure the people stayed true to the Law He gave to Moses on Mt. Sinai. But, in Jeremaiah 31:31-34, He said that they had broken their seal of acceptance of what He had promised them. And in Ezekiel 34, He said that the rabbis had led the sheep astray, and that he Himself would come to lead the lost sheep back, and He would bring His servant David (Yeshua came from the lineage of David, as it says in Matthew 1, and Luke), and that the servant David would be "the Good Shepherd."

It has been there for centuries. Messianic Jews are no tnew--Paul, Peter, John, all of them were as Jewish as Jesus/Yeshua Himself. Look who He told them to go to first. Look where they all went first when they made their journeys-always to the synagogues. Look who he said in Matthew 15 He had come to save, and compare that to Ezekiel 34. But, it took until now for the RE-DEVELOPMENT, THE RE-BIRTH, of the Messianic Jew. The Messianic person existed before the Jew, in fact. Read Genesis 14, and see how first Avram tithed to Melchizedek, a king anointed a High Priest, able to bless people. And because he had tithed, Avram was blessed and received a covenant from HaShem, G-D in Genesis 15.

When John said the Word went from being with G-D to being G-D in John 1:1, he meant that, as per Ezekiel 34, (important chapter to read), HaShem/G-D was very upset with how those He anointed as high priests had taken care of themselves, and let His people go astray because they followed blindly like sheep.

The Day of Atonement still exists, and my congregation-which reads from the Torah each week and from both volumes of the entire book-still honors it--we know that being a Messianic Jew is ok to be a Christian, because Messianic means "those who believe in an anointed one," and comes from the Hebrew, while Christian literally means "those who follow/believe in the anointed one" and comes from the Greek. Christian is NOT what the churches says it means. Reading it with an understanding of the first book, it is easyier to understand why Jesus did speak against the Pharisees, did say they proclaim to be Jewish and are not. They write a Talmud that is man made Law because they denied the Truth, turned away from the Way. In time, many will see.

For years, I used to follow Yom Kippur to atone for my sins. Now I fast on Yom Kippur to remember that the greatest sacrifice of them all-Yeshua giving His life for us-grants Believers Atonement and this is a rehearsal for Judgement Day, when I will be judged for how well I have stayed in the Spirit. It is as Jewish, no matter what the rabbis or the churches say, as anything else...it is in the books of the Prophets, If you decide to fast, then spend some time reading the later Prophets and read it with an understanding, asking questions, of what you know about Jesus, Paul, other prophesies.

Read in the first book how there are to be TWO MESSIAHS-NOT ONE--the first was the servant David, the Meshiach ben Joseph, the servant who would suffer as it say sin Isaiah 53, for the sins of others, and as it says in 53:12 "would make intercession for the transgressors." It gtives a whole new meaning to "the way to the Father is through the Son," when you know what it means to "make intercession." It is not of the gospel, it is first of the Tenakh, the Old Testament, and the gospels merely attests to the fulfillment of prophesy.

When it comes to Yom Kippur, then, it is to remember how Jesus/Yeshuah, did make the greatest sacrifice, and if we follow His commandments, we will be the sheep led to the pasture.
As for the Law, it says that one can fast unless one becomes ill. There have been times, because at my older age I am a diabetic, when I have had no choice but to eat because of my sugar levels. Yeshua understands that, just as He healed on the Sabbath. You may get tireder than usual on Saturday because of fasting, and it is ok to take a nap unless you have reasons not to. You may feel an ache in your stomach. If you ar enot feeling well, it is ok to eat. What I did for years before I was saved, when I was still a rabbinic Jew, was take a quart of milk to coat my stomach. I'd have a large enough meal sometimes, even as a kid, to hold me over for 24 hours, so I was not being undernourished, I was simply going without. If I was tired because of not eating, I took a nap, which is easier to do this year because it is on a Saturday.

But, if you truly are not feeling well, and start feeling ill-your health does come first and will be understood. So, make a deal with your mom that if you start feeling sicj, you will have a small something, otherwise fast to remember how dying upon the cross did atone for us, and that you are following your Holy Spirit, in rehearsal for Judgment Day.

The New Covenant (see Hebrews 7:27) was moving from the ways of the flesh to the ways of the Spirit, being circumcised of the heart to be purified, not of the foreskin (read several of Paul's writings), and having the Highest of them all make the supreme sacrifice for all-time atonement of sins for those who follow His ways rarther than having man interpret the words and make sacrifices and gifts for atonement.

Explain to your mother how your and all Believrs Holy Spirit has to come first according to the Bible, and if your Holy Spirit says for you to eat, you will follow it.

I hope this advice helps. As I said-I started out doing it to sacrifice for my own atonement, now I do it to remember and to prepare for Judgment Day. The Bible says that He will come for the 2nd Time during this Time of Year, and to be prepared, and I commend you for wanting to rehearse.

2007-09-20 16:10:01 · answer #1 · answered by sirburd 4 · 0 1

I would suggest negotiating with your mother and instead of observing a full day observe a half day (12.5 hours) ... She seems somewhat open to the idea but concerned that you would be pushing it by going so long without food.. So compromise... Go a half day this year, see how that goes, and maybe extend to a full day next year (25 hours)..

As a negotiation tool you can allow her to choose your meal before your fast starts and the meal for when it ends.. So she can choose meals that are loaded with nutrition to help ease her mind...

Also agree that should you feel dizzy, light headed or in any other way not well during your fast you will immediately report the symptoms to her..

Mom's have a tendancy to be overly cautious with their children, opening the communication lines when wanting to try something new can ease Mom's into the idea while giving them the sense they are still protecting their children..

2007-09-20 15:28:49 · answer #2 · answered by Diane (PFLAG) 7 · 1 0

on Yom kippur, the point is to afflict yourself. eating is just one of the ways you afflict yourself. on yom kippur, you are:

-not allowed to eat OR drink ( nothing at all!) (from the night before to the next night. 25 hour total)
- cannot wash your hands / face / body (but you can wash up to your knuckles after you go to the bathroom)
- you cannot wear leather shoes(other leather clothes are fine)
- can't have sex
- no makeup / skin ointments
- you cant work , or use electronic devices(no driving) ( just as shabat)
- it is a custom to wear all white, but thats optional.
-hear the shofar at a shul

now, the point of this day is a day of atonement, and it is a jewish holiday. you spend most of the day praying (at a shul) for forgivness for the sins of the year.

BUT because it is a jewish holiday, and idoltary is the greatest sin (it comes alongside with cursing god)
and according to judaisim, accepting jesus makes you an idolturer. And because it is a day of atonement, you should be asking forgivness for being an idolturer ( If you were jewish)

2007-09-20 15:42:26 · answer #3 · answered by Shingle 1 · 0 0

Alley, I've got good news for you. Read through the book of Hebrews--especially the middle chapters, and you'll discover that Jesus fulfilled what the Day of Atonement (a.k.a. "Yom Kippur") was all about. There's no need for a high priest to enter into the Holy of Holies in the Temple once per year because Jesus is our High Priest and sacrifice Himself. It's a beautiful image of what Jesus did for us on the cross and when He ascended into Heaven. After you're done reading/studying Hebrews, you'll probably think differently about Yom Kippur.

Shalom

2007-09-20 15:21:54 · answer #4 · answered by chdoctor 5 · 1 1

i might propose negotiating with your mom and somewhat of watching an entire day be conscious a a million/2 day (12.5 hours) ... She looks quite open to the belief yet worried which you would be pushing it with the aid of going see you later without nutrition.. So compromise... pass a a million/2 day this year, see how that is going, and maybe improve to an entire day next year (25 hours).. As a negotiation gadget you are able to enable her to compliment your meal earlier your quickly starts off and the meal for whilst it ends.. So she would be in a position to compliment food that are loaded with nutrition to assist ease her concepts... additionally agree that could desire to you sense dizzy, gentle headed or in any opposite direction not properly throughout your quickly you will right this moment document the indications to her.. mom's have a tendancy to be overly careful with their infants, establishing the verbal exchange strains whilst desirous to objective something new can ease mom's into the belief on an identical time as giving them the experience they're nonetheless keeping their infants..

2016-11-06 00:14:32 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

You know God made these days special so they still must be special. I commend you for wanting to participate and may God bless you Richly.


Affliction does not mean that you should invent creative means of torturing yourself. The Torah outlines five forms of affliction for Yom Kippur. On Yom Kippur it is forbidden to:

Eat or drink
bathe or wash
wear leather shoes, leather sandals or any other leather footgear
have marital relations
anoint oneself
(Annointing refers to rubbing or applying on one's body any substance -- such as oil, soap, alcohol, hair tonic, cream, ointment, perfume, etc., unless it's for medical reasons).

Those are the basic categories of "affliction" required on Yom Kippur.

I got this from a Jewish Website.

2007-09-20 15:17:16 · answer #6 · answered by sisterzeal 5 · 1 0

You will be hungry, but you won't fall ill unless you are diabetic. You wouldn't be the first Christian to follow a traditional Jewish Holiday in order to understand your own religion better. I wish you many blessings.

2007-09-20 15:17:53 · answer #7 · answered by Sharon M 6 · 3 0

not no water, no drinking, no food, no lotions, no soap, no perfumes, no nothing really. it startes tomorrow at sunset, and its a 25 hour fast....

i appreciate you acknowledging how important this holiday is.

shalom, and have an easy fast!

2007-09-20 15:18:25 · answer #8 · answered by lins 5 · 1 0

You are not a true christian man. You are only pretending to be one.
jtm

2007-09-20 15:18:55 · answer #9 · answered by Jesus M 7 · 0 4

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