The Old Covenant was conditional, is the New Covenat also conditional?

Question

In the old, God promised to bless the people for their obedience or punish them for their transgressions, and the people agreed to His terms. It was a conditional covenant based on the ability of the people (the weaker party) to obey God. If they disobeyed there was a firm structure for punishment in place.

How does the new covenant differ. Please prove your point with scripture.

Answer 1

It is true that we have been saved thru grace etc..etc..., meaning that it is a gift from G-d to us of redeeming us from our transgression.

I'd just like to express that..... in essense it has always been that way, for it is only G-d who saves as it is written: G-d is our salvation and our stronghold in whom shall we fear?

The intention of the law of G-d has not changed at all as some think.

The law has been put in place to keep us within a boundary, this boundary is basicly a fense to keep us [the sheep of his pasture] from wondering off and being ravaged by wolves or just plainly being lost from the fold which is also analagous to the lost of self identity.

As clearly said by Yeshua hamoshiach: I have sheep that are [not] of this fold.

1. Who are the sheep?
2. Who are [not] of this fold?
3. What was he reffering to about a fold?

If you do not understand this how will you understand heavenly things?

I need to make everyone aware that the law was put in place not just for our well being but for the world as well, someone once asked the question; can you seperate church and state?

The answer I gave to this person was, that you can't, the reason you can't is because the world balances on them, if the weight of ungodly acts or in other words if the weight tips more to one way we could have either kaos or a utopia.

Kaos if it tips to ungodly acts such as murder, thefts, disobedient to authority etc..etc...or a utopia if it tips to the obediance of G-d's laws where everyone lives in harmony with each other, you can only corrupt the laws but you cannot seperate them from government.

Because the one who said; you shall not commit murder the same said when you judge do not be partial in your judgment.

So how can you seperate that from government, you can't. But what you can do is corrupt them, by letting the guilty of blood go free by a bribe.

Imagine a world where murder and theft was not brought to justice what kind of world would that be? [Noah's days]

Although we are not to far from that type of world right now, infact more and more it is begining to seem like that.

Punishment and exonoration of man's obediance or disobediance is still much a part of us today as it was back then but remember that what corruption does is tip the scale from harmony to kaos .

There are things that are not part of [Israel's] mandatory practices today...... such as animal sacrifices, but it is because the Holy temple in jerusalem is not erected in any case we are obeying G-d in this command right now, how? Because it is forbidden to do so without the temple.

I am mentioning this because there is a spirit out there that teaches, even if we did have the temple today in jerusalem we [Israel] would not have to follow animal sacrifices as obediance to G-d if we already beleive in the messiah, watch out for that spirit for it is a deceitful spirit of ant-christ.


Lone Ranger--------There is another "sign that we can identify the anti-christ" and that is, that he will [stop] the animal sacrifices in the temple. Find it in the book of Daniel the prophet.

Answer 2

All of God's Covenants have 'signs' to identify those in them, eg circumcision was the sign of the Old C; baptism and the cup of communion are the signs of the New C. (Gen 17:11; 1 Peter 3:21; Luke 22:20) Although Old C people promised to obey God's requirements, disobedience did not turf them out of it because part of God's side of his C was to bring punishments upon those disobeying. He kept that part of it as Israel's history shows, time and again. Yet they remained his C people, then Christ's perfect keeping of it led to it being replaced with the New C.

Only those who are born again (through exercising faith in Christ) can enter into the New C. As with the Old C, Christians who disobey God suffer for that (in various ways - see Paul's letters about the sins of the church in Corinth, and the letters to the 7 churches in Revelation) but they are still in that C! 'The blood of Jesus Christ, His Son cleanses us from all sin.. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness' (1 Jn 1:7-9). This was addressed to people already in the New C. Hebrews chs 9 & 10 show that the difference with the New C is this: 'It is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins... For by one offering He [Christ] has perfected forever those who are sanctified.'

So, with respect to your particular point regarding punishment, there really is no difference, yet there are critical differences as to what the respective Cs achieve. A reminder of sins then death was the lot of everyone in the Old C, apart from Christ who alone kept it perfectly, whilst forgiveness and eternal life are given to those in the New C even though they cannot keep it perfectly.

Answer 3

As with many of the previous testomony there the real or eternal replaced into form of encased interior the shadows and varieties. So it in contact the shadow of the earthly line (Davids sons) that replaced into no longer eternal and did no longer obey God (conditional) besides the undeniable fact that it additionally blanketed the "Son" whose kingdom may well be continuously and that's in Christ that the covenant isn't conditional with us, as He has saved the situations for us.

Answer 4

The New Covenant states that we shall be forgiven IF we believe in Jesus (and I suppose IF He would die on the cross which He did to fulfill the condition). Apart from this issue of forgiveness, there are also other conditions (and associated blessings) - such as "Those who practice and teach [the commandments of God] will be called greatest in the kingdom of heaven..." And "If our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him.”

Answer 5

Yes, the 'blessings' of the Mosaic covenant were conditional upon the people's obedience.
The New covenant is a bit different, in that the blessings are coming no matter what.
However, our participation in those blessings is conditional.
Jesus said:
"He who endures to the end will be saved."

Answer 6

How does the new covenant differ?

Lets state what the old covenant is: The Old Covenant was created by God with Abraham. This is found in Genesis 17. Essentially, God made Abraham the father of the nation of Israel. They would be His people, and He would be God to them. Interestingly enough, it says in verse 7:

"And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your offspring after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your offspring after you."

To say that the covenant is "conditional" is to say that it will continue provided both parties meet the criteria. However, God calls it an "everlasting covenant" in Gen. 17:7. How is that possible? It is because God fulfills both parts of the obligation.

The Old Covenant is also commonly called "the Law". You see Paul refer to it as such throughout Romans. This is the law given to Moses that included the statutes that God required. Christ fulfilled the law (Matthew 5:17). That is not to say that He did away with it or rendered it useless. In like manner, the old covenant is fulfilled by the new covenant.

The new covenant is simply this: God justifies the ungodly through His own righteous Son's atoning death. Christ's righteousness is imputed (or credited to) His people, and thus the law is fulfilled in them through Christ. Again, God fulfills both sides of the covenant agreement.

For instance, in Hebrews 8 - "But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.

8 For he finds fault with them when he says:

'Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah,
9 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers
on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt.
For they did not continue in my covenant,
and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel
after those days, declares the Lord:
I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR MINDS,
AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS,
and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
11 And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor
and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
for they shall all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful toward their iniquities,
and I will remember their sins no more.'

13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away."

So, is the new covenant conditional? Yes, in the same way that the old covenant was. God has made conditions for both, it just so happens that HE FULFILLS BOTH FOR US.

- God picked out for Himself a people; they didn't pick Him.
- God requires of His people a perfect righteousness.
- God provides the righteousness that He requires through His Son, Jesus Christ.

The Pharisees got it wrong. They tried to keep every letter of the Law. But that was not a fulfillment of the law. Abraham believed God and it was "counted to him as righteousness." (see Romans 4:13-25) Salvation has never been about two systems (first the law and then grace). It has always been about faith in God, that He'd do what He promised, in requiring the law and then providing the righteous fulfillment of the law through His Son, and then credit that righteousness to all whom He called spiritual Israel (see Romans 9).

I hope that explains it.

Answer 7

The new covenant is based on the sacrifice of Christ and grace alone.

Ephesians 2:8-9 “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.”

Acts 4:12 “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

Answer 8

Is the New Covenant also conditional?

Read John 3:16, gospel in its purest form - "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

"Whosoever believeth in him". Sounds pretty simple, doesn't it? But that sounds like a condition to me.

Read James 2:17-20 - "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

Faith is the condition for the New Covenant. Faith that produces works resulting in saving faith.

Answer 9

The new testament is the promise of God to Abraham, that all nations in the world would be blessed through his decendants = Jesus

Jesus died for the sins of this world, sin of the flesh, traditions and customs..

and we are to serve God as in the laws of the Kingdom of God in heaven..

and this is our judgment what ever evil we do here is also bound in heaven..

Wicked = one who plans or schemes evil

Evil = undo/overdone loss of ones spiritual, material, physical, emotional well being for my gain, non gain, others, groups or organizations

The new testament is to the spirit world and we serve God in spirit words on earth, that are the same as Gods..

TO WORSHIP GOD IS TO; VERY DEEPLY RESPECT THE TRUTH IN OUR SELVES AND OTHERS IN OUR EVERDAY AFFAIRS, FOR GOD IS TRUTH.

TO SERVE GOD IS TO; LOOK FOR THE GOOD OF OTHRES AND THINGS AND BE RIGHT TO OTHERS IN OUR DEALINGS.

TO MINISTER TO GOD IS TO; EVANGILIZE THE ABOVE TO OTHERS

TO CONFESS GOD AND JESUS IS TO; STAND AGAINST THOSE WHO DO EVIL TO OTHERS AND THINGS..

THERE WAS ALSO A CHANGE IN PRIESTHOOD, JESUS IS HIGH PRIEST TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK.

MELCHIZEDEK WAS A CANAANITE KING
AND HE WAS A PRIEST TO THE MOST HIGH GOD.
RECOGNIZED BY ABRAM HIMSELF..

GOD'S PROPHETS HAVE BEEN IN ALL RELIGIONS OF THE WORLD, NOT JUST THE HEBREW.

HE WAS THE SAME PRIEST OF ABRAMS AND HIS GOD BECAUSE HE WAS AND IS KING/PRIEST OF PEACE AND RIGHTEOUS..

JESUS IS HIGH PRIEST TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK A CANAANITE, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE O.T. PRIESTHOOD.. It is to the spirit world

JESUS IS HIGH PRIEST IN ANY RELIGION OR NO RELIGION, THAT FOLLOW THE LAWS OF THE SPIRIT FOR IT IS THE SPIRIT OF THE MOST HIGH GOD..

THE NEW TESTAMENT IS conditional, SPIRITUAL AND ETERNAL.

THERE IS MORE TO MEL. THEN THIS NO TIME..

Answer 10

the old covenant was perfectly fulfilled in the life of Jesus the Christ. see Romans 5:19 (and whole chapter for context -- better yet, read the first 8 chapters)