Trinity question?

Question

What exactly is the basis for this trinity thought? I mean, I understand what it is....saying that "the father, the son and the holy spirit" are one..but how come. Jesus was the son of God not the same person? What is everyones thought on this? Do you believe in the trinity or do you belive these are all seperate entities?

Okay so I guess I didn't quite word it right. Basically I am just wondering where it came from? Is it part of Christianity...cause I consider myself Christian and I believe that they are all seperate entities. I was just wondering. Theres a lot of questions on here about that and stuff...so, just wanting to learn what others think.

Okay, so thank you to you guys who have put more on your answer. I am not trying to fight with anyone...just trying to learn. I have recently started to gain my faith more so than I have ever in my life. I am wanting to learn all I can about the Bible and God and Jesus and everything. It is something that I am yearning for...constantly reading and asking. So, I'm not here to try to debate with anyone. I have just always believed that they were seperate. I am def. not saying the trinity is wrong.

Jana...see that is how I learned it growing up. Now, as I am older and researching more (as I want to) I am finding all of these different beliefs. I don't know what is truth. I however, know that I believe that there is a God, I believe that Jesus died for my sins and I believe that prayer is answered. I also can't quote verses like some people, but I do now that in some parts of the Bible Jesus says something along the lines that he doesn't do what is being done, it is done by the Father, not him. I just don't know. And then, there are all these different takes on religion (i.e. catholic, protestant, pentecosta, baptist) I mean, aren't we all believing in the same and reading the same Bible. Why do we argue so much about little things such as this? To me it seems petty and unneccessary.

This is great you guys. I really appreciate all these links. I really need to find some one that I can talk to about stuff like this. I, personally, will NOT go to a church though. I have my reasons and I don't believe God will judge me about that. I am not ashamed of him or what not, I just choose not to define my beliefs by a church that wants to push there beliefs on me. I need to find someone or someway to look at this and learn more about it in a non denomiational way. We'll see. These links have been really helpful even though I may not agree with them all its great to read and learn what others believe and think.

Answer 1

just wait i might give an answer

http://www.answering-christianity.com
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links
http://www.answering-christianity.com/nt_confirms_apocalypse_of_peter.htm#disciples_trinity_crucifixion_lies

there it is, just go through all 3 of them, and you will come to know everything about Trinity and Jesus

Answer 2

I truly believe they are all seperate entities, with the Holy Spirit being God's active force, rather than a literal person. The Trinity is a concept that came from non-Christian and non-Jewish origins, and the Jews of the Old Testament did not believe that God was a Trinity.

The New Encyclopædia Britannica says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deut. 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.

The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

The Holy Scriptures tell us the personal name of the Father—Jehovah. They inform us that the Son is Jesus Christ. But nowhere in the Scriptures is a personal name applied to the holy spirit.

Acts 7:55, 56 reports that Stephen was given a vision of heaven in which he saw “Jesus standing at God’s right hand.” But he made no mention of seeing the holy spirit. (See also Revelation 7:10; 22:1, 3.)

I could go on all day, but feel free to email me if you would like to know more reasons why I do not believe in the Trinity.

Answer 3

Was the trinity a teaching of Jesus and his disciples? If so, it should have appeared fully formed in the first century of our Common Era. And since what they taught is found in the Bible, then the Trinity doctrine is either a Bible teaching or it is not. If it is, it should be clearly taught in the Bible.

The trinity includes the following definite ideas:

1. There are said to be three divine persons—the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit—in the Godhead.

2. Each of these separate persons is said to be eternal, none coming before or after the other in time.

3. Each is said to be almighty, with none greater or lesser than the other.

4. Each is said to be omniscient, knowing all things.

5. Each is said to be true God.

6. However, it is said that there are not three Gods but only one God.
I invite you to search the Bible, especially the 27 books of the Christian Greek Scriptures, to see for yourself if Jesus and his disciples taught a Trinity. As you search, ask yourself:

1. Can I find any scripture that mentions “Trinity”?

2. Can I find any scripture that says that God is made up of three distinct persons, Father, Son, and holy spirit, but that the three are only one God?

3. Can I find any scripture that says that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom?

Search as you may, you will not find one scripture that uses the word Trinity, nor will you find any that says that Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom. Not even a single scripture says that the Son is equal to the Father in those ways—and if there were such a scripture, it would establish not a Trinity but at most a “duality.” Nowhere does the Bible equate the holy spirit with the Father.

Answer 4

The origin of the Trinity doctrine is NOT found in the Bible.

The 'New Encyclopædia Britannica' says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord’ (Deuteronomy 6:4). . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. . . . By the end of the 4th century . . . the doctrine of the Trinity took substantially the form it has maintained ever since.”—(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.

The 'New Catholic Encyclopedia' states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

In 'The Encyclopedia Americana' we read: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian (believing that God is one person). The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.

According to the "Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel", “The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher’s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient pagan religions.”—(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lachâtre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.

John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899.

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Answer 5

They are not seperate entities: God is ONE: One being, three persons. A human is one being and one person: A cat or dog is one being and NO persons: God is one being and THREE persons. We can not FULLY understand the Trinity, but the scripures are pretty plain that God IS Trinity:

Jesus tells his apostles to baptize "in the name [notice, singular, not plural] of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 28:19). This is a proof-text: three distinct Persons united in the one divine name. In 2 Corinthians 13:14, Paul writes, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." We see this same unity of divine Persons in 1 Corinthians 12:4–11, Ephesians 4:4–6, and 1 Peter 1:2–3.

The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God (cf. John 8:58, 10:38, 14:10; Col. 2:9). It also clearly teaches that the Holy Spirit is God (cf. Acts 5:3–4, 28:25–28; 1 Cor. 2:10–13). Everyone agrees the Father is God. Yet there is only one God (Mark 12:29, 1 Cor. 8:4–6, Jas. 2:19). How can we hold all four truths except to say all three are One God?

And yes, Jesus DID say he was God. In John 8:58, when quizzed about how he has special knowledge of Abraham, Jesus replies, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am"—invoking and applying to himself the personal name of God—"I Am" (Ex. 3:14). His audience understood exactly what he was claiming about himself. "So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple" (John 8:59).

Also significant are passages that apply the title "the First and the Last" to Jesus. This is one of the Old Testament titles of Yahweh: "Thus says Yahweh, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, Yahweh of armies: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; besides me there is no god’" (Is. 44:6; cf. 41:4, 48:12).

Answer 6

Yes its a Christian belief. The Trinity is too huge of a concept for us to grasp being humans because theres nothing else like it. I believe in the Trinity not seperate entities.

Answer 7

Hi, Mom of two:

Did you notice the Bible tells you that the two shall be one flesh? That means that although you and your husband are different persons with different personalities, and different purposes, you are working as a unit--as ONE.

Likewise, there are different purposes in the Godhead. The Father rules the Universe, the Son is our Creator, advocate and Redeemer, and the Holy Spirit an individual that links us to Heaven.

God has not given us much to get technical, but know this fact. If you can't operate as a unit, but cause trouble in church, then you are not part of God's kingdom, and are united with the rebellious one.

There is a Bible code that proves Jesus is the Messiah at http://abiblecode.tripod.com It also identifies the adversary who will cause us much problems in the future.

Shalom, peace in Jesus, Ben Yeshua

Answer 8

As far as what the human ability is to describe the nature of God, God is one, but somehow may act independently yet in full agreement with each other.

It would be a responsibility of every Christian to look at the Bible in order to find what it says in order to formulate why the Trinity is named so from examining the Bible. I have done this so that I would not have to rely on the word of others to tell me what it says. Many Christians do not do this.

Here is one study that I've done:
God tells angels to worship Him:
6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
"Let all God's angels worship him." (Hebrews 1 & Psalm 45)

God calls Jesus God:
8 But about the Son he says,
"Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,
and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy."
(Hebrews 1 & Psalm 45)

Jesus says that God is Spirit:
24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." (John 4)

Jesus calls God the Father:
John 20:17
Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' "

Jesus says that the Father and him are one:
30 "I and the Father are one."

Jesus calls himself 'from everlasting to everlasting ':
58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" (John 8)

Jesus is in Daniel 7 as the Most High having a separate set of independent actions from the Ancient of Days:
13 "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

21 As I watched, this horn was waging war against the saints and defeating them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came and pronounced judgment in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came when they possessed the kingdom.

Answer 9

God, Jesus, the holy spirit all one. I had trouble with this seven years ago. God took me to the book of Philippians 2:1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10, reads like this:

1 If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, If any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, 2 then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose. 3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. 4 Each of you should look not only to your own interest, but also to the interests of others. 5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
6 Who being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness, 8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death even death on the cross! 9 therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

When I read this, it was confirmation, and in the bible it shows us how it was in the last days for Jesus, Satan wanted him to mess himself up, easy way out, but God is God! So that would not have served the purpose to send his son Jesus, that was the whole purpose to send his son to die for our sins, to be set free from bondage, sickness, disease, generetional curses, etc. With all that, enough for me to understand a lot. I have a relationship with God, because of Jesus laying his life for us, to leave for us the holy ghost to be renewed for God's glory, to have victory through christ, and to save our souls from hell...

Our bodies are the Church, and once we accept him into our lives, the cleaning process begins, but how badly do we want more of our heavenly father. We must die to the flesh, and carnal mind, and be more Christ like. Hard, but not impossible! We are equipted with everything we need to grow in Christ...

Answer 10

TO REBUTTAL CATHOLIC crusader: A person can be three persons in one, I am a sister, a daughter and a mother and I am still one person, but three differant people in one. Just like a three leaf clover, it has three leaves, but they are all on one clover, They are three in one.

Answer 11

Same as Maiden, Mother, Crone. They are phases in a person's life. Following the wheel of the year.