Please at least READ the article on the link before answering. Then tell me what do you think about this Version of the Dream Act. Would you vote yes or no for it's passage? Defend your reason(s) for why you would vote yes or no.
http://washingtontimes.com/article/20070920/NATION/109200094/1001
2007-09-20 02:49:47 · 19 answers · asked by Anonymous in Politics & Government ➔ Immigration
I do not support it because I believe even with the changes, it is still to open.
Here is what I would prefer to see.
If a child was brought here by the parents or guardians when they were 12 or younger; they speak English; and they are good students/"citizens", they may apply for a fast track citizenship. This must be started by the time they are 21. They are not allowed to be used by ANY family member to get into the country.
I agree that there is a problem with young children being brought here by parents prior to an age when they have any say. I do not agree that they should get "in state" tuition at college (although the article did say that is now out). Something does need to be done for these children, but I believe it should be done their responsibility to get it done, and they should get it done ASAP. I understand that the age is 18 to apply. I think an exception in this case should be made so that the app can start at the age of 16. I realize they are not yet adults, so I am not sure if it could stand legally but...
2007-09-20 03:05:10 · answer #1 · answered by halestrm 6 · 1⤊ 7⤋
This bill is shamnesty, pure and simple. Even with the proposed changes it allows the following:
The DREAM Act allows illegal "teens" to petition for their parents, leading eventually to their aunts, uncles, grandparents and cousins:
The big argument for this amnesty is that it is for teenagers who are here illegally because their parents broke the law but, as soon as DREAM amnesty citizens are over 21, they can bring in their parents who broke the law to get them into the country. The chief criminals will be rewarded after all.
The DREAM Act does not Protect Americans from Terrorists and Criminals:
Illegal immigrants are not required to submit fingerprints or undergo background security checks at any point in the DREAM Act process. This security failure is compounded by the confidentiality section of the DREAM Act, which is modeled on the fraud-prone 1986 amnesty. This section basically requires DHS to hide information about terrorist and criminal aliens from itself. To cap it all, DHS is prohibited from removing from the United States all aliens, including criminals, terrorists, fraudsters, and other ineligible aliens while they have a DREAM Act application pending, even if that application is based upon fraud or the alien is ineligible.
The DREAM Act is Deceptive:
The marketing campaign for the DREAM Act makes as though the amnesty is intended for high school graduates who are on their way to college or military service. The bill as written ensures that illegal immigrants don’t have to attend high school or go to college to qualify for the amnesty: they need only take an ability-to-benefit test and complete a 1-year vocational program to get eventual citizenship and there’s no requirement that they actually complete their college education. Aliens do not have to join the Armed Forces: they need only go to work for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration or Public Health Service for 2 years to get eventual citizenship.
The DREAM Act is a Fraud Machine:
We know from experience that amnesty from immigration laws generates massive fraud, and the DREAM Act is no exception. Nothing in the DREAM Act will prevent a 50-year old alien from asserting that he entered the United States before the age of 16 and has remained here ever since. The DREAM Act is silent on how DHS will determine the veracity of such claims. The DREAM Act will actually promote fraud because it prevents DHS from deporting aliens who’ve applied for the amnesty until their applications are resolved – a process that will likely take years, because DHS lacks the resources to rapidly process the millions of applications it will receive. Even if DHS eventually decides that some aliens do not qualify for the amnesty, DHS cannot use the statements aliens made in their applications to deport them, because their statements are protected by the confidentiality section in the DREAM Act.
In short, this bill is just another attempt by elitist politicians to shove amnesty down the throats of the american people
2007-09-20 12:10:06 · answer #2 · answered by hockey g 3 · 2⤊ 1⤋
My understanding is that the in state tuition is in still, because as legal residents they would automatically be entitled to that, and that they could petition for family and that if they would be denied for age or any other reason there would be waivers for hardship OR family unity reasons.
I have been trying to read this for weeks and understand it was finally given out in text yesterday, however haven't had a chance to read it.
Were they focussing at all on impacts to us and OUR children, as citizens, I might support a properly tailored Dream act (really aimed at only students of student age going to college or student age going to military.) That is because as a parent I see that there is a window of time in kids's lives which is pretty key in determining what they do with their lives, and I'd be sympathetic to the idea that those who are at this key window of time while we are debating the immigration issue shouldn't lose to that extent. I am still hoping our government will ACTUALLY focus on impacts to citizens as key to resolving this issue, and that there will be some middle ground way to go forward.
Given the gamesmanship around not giving out the text of this amendment until it comes up for vote, and the waivers etc purportedly in it, it seems to me this is more of trying to 'sneak something by' voters, rather than a shift to actually looking at what hurts voters and their interests. I may change my mind when I have a chance to read it, but the fact that I haven't had a chance to read it is entirely their fault, in my opinion. Because I have been looking for it.
2007-09-20 12:17:12 · answer #3 · answered by DAR 7 · 2⤊ 1⤋
From the article:Sen. Richard J. Durbin, trying to win support to pass his proposal to give legal status to illegal aliens who go to college or join the military, said yesterday he has dropped from his plan a mandate for in-state tuition rates and is promising to impose an age limit to cut the number of people who would be eligible.
He's willing to impose an age limit which would cut many out of it and also the mandate for in state tuition.I would vote for this.Many of these kids do deserve a chance.If their grades in school were decent enough to get them into college they must be decent kids.And Military service has always supposedly brought a fast track.We've done it before without putting it before the people or Congress.It's not new except in that respect.Military service to me is the ultimate sacrifice you can do for a country.Those who dismiss military service as a valuable contribution by these kids have never themselves served or have family that has served in War.I have 2 who currently are and know they risk their very lives daily.To say a person wouldn't be a valuable contribution to our servicemen and our country by laying their life on the line is stupidity of all a real war entails.It's not a video game where if they don't like the outcome they reset the game.
2007-09-20 11:15:18 · answer #4 · answered by Dog Tricks 4 · 2⤊ 2⤋
Does a lawmaker in this country seriously want to train and arm the illegal invading force that is here already?
I don't think illegals should be admitted to any school, K through university. The fact that schools admit illegals should be considered aiding a criminal act. Illegals in schools take resources from American citizens. Illegal immigrants in selective universities have taken the place of an American citizens who was denied admission.
2007-09-20 12:17:21 · answer #5 · answered by Doug G 5 · 2⤊ 1⤋
If all these illegal immigrants get a free ride into college TOO, when I can't even afford to go, I'm gonna be pissed! I ALREADY can't afford healthcare! Two hospitals here have to shut down the Emergency Rooms because of illegals abusing the system.
And the HELL if I want some illegal immigrant toting around a LOADED M16, marching beside our brothers, husbands, mothers and fathers!
Give them an incentive which will encourage them to go to school in MEXICO. Work something out with THEIR gov't and encourage them to go home.
They KNOWINGLY committed a crime when they hopped over the border. Why would we give them ANYTHING for that?
2007-09-20 11:44:46 · answer #6 · answered by Listen_n 3 · 3⤊ 2⤋
I would definitely vote for it. We need smarter people in this country, I support people who have a desire to be learn, work hard for a living and even give their lives for this country. Why should I sit back and feel threatened because somebody else is willing to do the things in life to get ahead that I haven't taken the opportunity to do. I don't care where these people come from, as far as I'm concerned as a American tax payer, I feel it's a great idea!
2007-09-20 13:34:07 · answer #7 · answered by Gipsyfire 5 · 0⤊ 3⤋
In theory I think it is good, if the child came with parents who either overstayed or came illegally more then 10 yrs ago only.
The child went to school was a good student and wasn't in any trouble and everything can be documented.
Not just a blanket passage because they were here.
But, as we all have found out our government can't be trusted to to do anything right or by rules .
This was an add on bill so they have no intent on following through on any rules. The people who will admit them won't care either because it comes down to money.
So, at his point absolutely NO!
2007-09-20 10:42:14 · answer #8 · answered by wild4gypsy 4 · 2⤊ 5⤋
somebody else posted something similar so same answer...
think that those that oppose the bill are very biased and arent looking at the situation in depth. All the bill wants to do is allow children who came into the country(obviously not by personal choice) to get a chance at having a better life instead of later on having to EVENTUALLY depend on the government's funds. People need to really get past the whole "illegal immigrant" front. These are children no matter how you look at it, put yourself in their shoes for a second. What if you came(no ..were brought) here as a child..or even an infant and have grown up here..and this IS all you know as home...Would you honestly want to be in the same predicaments?? Yes, it's not all fair(and yes some parents are to blame...AND yes the gov't needs to urgently take control of border issues) but facts have to be faced and worked on for the sake of all. Not all immigrants are criminals as the media would like to potray sometimes.The country will only suffer in the long run if they keep putting immigration issues on the back burner and you all know its true whether or not you choose to bad mouth anything immigration. Please dont limit these children's chances to excel with your purely ignorant and heartless comments. Lets put away words like "amnesty"(especially for the kids)we all are people at the end of the day.
And yes, I hope that the bill passes.
2007-09-20 11:21:07 · answer #9 · answered by Cilantro 5 · 3⤊ 6⤋
The harder they try in support of illegals the more there imploding> There might not be a Dem standing in 08 to run with all the selling out of the USA & citizens>Were watching you>
2007-09-20 10:08:27 · answer #10 · answered by 45 auto 7 · 6⤊ 3⤋