How did the palestinian conflict start?

Question

Soon after the end of World War II, there were three basic para-military Zionist organizations in Palestine, working against the Arab people, with the specific purpose of driving it out of Palestine. These were the Haganah, the Irgun Zvai Leumi and the Stern Gang.

Before the British Mandate, the Jewish settlers had formed a group of mounted armed watchmen called "Hashomar" and with the advent of the British Mandate, it became the Haganah (Defense). With a membership of 60,000 Zionist Jews, the Haganah had a field army of 16,000 trained men and a unit called the Palmach, which was a full-time force, numbering about 6000.

The Irgun Zvai Leumi included between 3000 and 5000 armed terrorists, and grew out of the Haganah and its Palmach branch in 1933. The Irgun was not ready to obey the Jewish Agency which sought to dilute the terror of the Haganah in order not to lose its respectability.

In 1939, one of Irgun's commanding officers, Abraham Stern, left the parent organization and formed the Stern Gang, numbering some 200 to 300 dangerous fanatics.

www.jewwatch.com

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-terrorists-jewish-zionist-terrorists.html

Answer 1

When the Jews invaded Palestine and kicked Palestinians out of their homes...

Answer 2

So is everyone here in agreement that those 3 organizations were never created and the King David Hotel bombing never happened?

Good.

now that you all look like fools here are some quotes from wikipedia:

"Fighters for the Freedom of Israel", לח"י - לוחמי חירות ישראל) was an armed underground Zionist faction in the Palestine Mandate that had as its goal the eviction of the British from Palestine to allow unrestricted immigration of Jews and the formation of a Jewish state.
On 6 November 1944 Lehi assassinated Lord Moyne in Cairo. Moyne was the highest ranking British government representative in the region.
January 12, 1947, members drove a truckload of explosives into a British police station in Haifa, Palestine, killing four and injuring 140.

During the lead-up to the 1948 Arab-Israeli war the Cairo-Haifa train was mined several times. On February 29 1948, Lehi mined the train north of Rehovot, killing 28 soldiers and wounding 35. On March 31, the train was mined near Binyamina killing 40 civilians and wounding 60. The second attack was also attributed to Lehi but Lehi never took credit for this event.
Lehi (and Irgun) took part in the killing of about 107 to 120 Palestinian Arabs at the village of Deir Yassin, an incident referred to as the Deir Yassin massacre
On 17 September 1948, Lehi assassinated the UN Mediator, Count Folke Bernadotte, who had been sent to broker a settlement in the dispute.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern_gang

The most well-known attack by Irgun was the bombing of King David Hotel in Jerusalem on 22 July 1946. British authorities condemned Irgun as terrorists already in the 1930s
The attack, initially ordered by Menachem Begin the head of the Irgun and later Prime Minister of Israel, had members of the Irgun, dressed as Arabs, set off a bomb in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which had been the base for the British Secretariat, the military command and a branch of the Criminal Investigation Division (police). Ninety-one people were killed, most of them staff of the secretariat and the hotel: 28 British, 41 Arab, 17 Jewish, and 5 other. Around 45 people were injured.
1946 The bombing by the Irgun of the British Embassy in Rome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun

Amazing.

The following is a list from wikipedia of the event, who carried it out and how many people died.

Bus bombings in Haifa and Ramla December 12, 1947 Jewish militias 20 Arabs, 5 Jews and 2 British soldiers killed and 30 wounded [1]

al-Tira December 12, 1947 Irgun 13

al-Khisas December 18, 1947 Haganah 10

Bomb thrown on Damascus Gate café in Jerusalem December 29, 1947 Irgun 15
[2]

Haifa Oil Refinery December 30, 1947 Irgun, then Arab workers 39

Balad al-Shaykh January 1, 1948 Haganah 17+

Bombing of the Semiramis Hotel in Jerusalem[3][4] January 5/6, 1948 Haganah 19

Jaffa Gate bombing in Jerusalem 7 January 1948 Irgun 15-20 killed [5]

Sa'sa' village ambush in the Safad district February 14, 1948 Palmach 11 [6]

al-Husayniyya March 13, 1948 Palmach 30
Cairo-Haifa train March 31, 1948 Unclear:Lehi/Haganah (and disputed) 40

Deir Yassin April 9, 1948 Irgun, Lehi 100-120 [8][9][10]

Qalunya April 12, 1948 Haganah 14

Ein al Zeitun May 3, 1948 Palmach 37-70

Abu Shusha May 14, 1948 Israeli 60-70

Suqrir 29 August 1948 Givati Brigade of the IDF 10 [12]

al-Dawayima October 29, 1948 Haganah 80-100 killed

Safsaf October 29, 1948 Israeli 50-70 killed

Saliha October 30, 1948 Haganah 60-80 killed

Eilabun October 30, 1948 Israeli 13 killed [13]

Majd al-Krum October 30, 1948 Israeli 12 killed [14]

Hula October 1948 Israeli 35-58

Arab al-Mawasi November 2, 1948 Israeli 14


so, begin the thumbs down when i cited facts, with links.


edit:
Mike in RI how can the histories be wrong when i have non biased citations. The question was about how the conflict started and i am simply mentioning the first 3 major terror groups to emerge in the region and how they caused the current situation. You should be more concerned with people like micheal j who completly deny that these organizations were terrorist groups. Would you next defend the actions and beliefs of Kahane Chai?
I have yet to condone violence and yet some of you continually do.

Answer 3

You are incorrect very incorrect, as well as deliberately misleading. The "para-military Zionist organizations" mentioned did not have a specific purpose of driving out local Arabs (I reject your usage of Palestinian, as at the time they were called Arabs and Palestinian referred to the Jews there), rather that had a state purpose of protecting Jews and Jewish settlement. What you fail to mention is that prior to the establishment of these organizations, the local Arabs had rioted many times often resulting in the massacre of Jews. This happened throughout the 20's and 30's which eventually forced the Jews to protect themselves. For anyone interested in further reading, research the Hebron massacre and the riots of 1929. To insinuate that violence in the region began with the establishment of these Zionist organizations is a downright falsehood. Further, I reject your characterization of the Haganah as a para-military organization. In truth it was a pre-governmental organization that handled the administration of the Jewish settlement. And finally, I find the website you posted offensive. I didn't even need to click the link; with a name like 'JewWatch' I can't believe it can be anything but anti-Semitic.

Answer 4

Well actually you fail to mention that the Haganah was formed in 1920, not right after WWII.

and it was the predecessor of another group Ha-Shomer (Guild of Watchman) established in 1909.

As for why it formed

The Arab riots of 1920 and 1921 made it clear to the Jewish leadership that Jewish farmers and settlements need protection from the Arabs. It was clear that the British had no desire to confront the Arabs over the Arab attacks on the Jews in Palestine. The Jewish leadership decided that the Jews need to rely on themselves for protection, and so the Haganah came into existence. The role of the Haganah was to guard the Jewish Kibbutzim and farms, to warn the residents of the Arab attacks, and to repel the attackers. In the period between 1920-1929 the Haganah lacked a strong central authority or coordination, Haganah "units" were very localized and poorly armed, they consisted mainly of Jewish farmers who took turns guarding their farms or their Kibbutzim. Following the Arab riots of 1929, that left 133 Jews dead and led to the ethnic cleansing of all Jews from the city of Hebron, the Haganah's role changed dramatically. It became a much larger organization encompassing nearly all the youths and adults in the settlements, as well as thousands of members from the cities. It also acquired foreign arms and began to develop workshops to create hand grenades and simple military equipment. It went from being an untrained militia to a capable army.

--So you see it was Arab violence that created the Haganah in the first place, without it their would have been no need for the Jewish militia. But please, do not let history and facts get in the way of your hate...

Answer 5

It started at full force in 1948 when we became a country.
Jewwatch? Nice that you quote a "totally unbiased source" (sarcasm dripping from voice).
I also really have to say how dare you talk about dangerous fanatics when radical Islam is the biggest problem in the world today!
I agree with the previous person who said it really all began when Muhammeds mommy popped him out. The world would be a much better place without Islam.
Now, how many thumbs down will I get for this one just because I mentioned Muhammed in a bad light.

Answer 6

Zionism never worked against Arabs, as Arabs. They fought against the English and for an independent Jewish State. They fought Arabs just as defense

Answer 7

This person is citing from an anti-Semitic websource well known for its misinformation and disguisting behavior - see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew_Watch Please report this question asap as I have - this identity is that of a creep or a group of creeps.

Thank You!!!

Update - Edmund T - no one said the organizations didn't exist - its their histories this person is stating is wrong. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt - but your a moron. For the record Edmund I am not going to give a thumbs down - your response here isn't even worthy of that.

Answer 8

Nice nic, I think you might try reading some real history rather than citing twisted hate sites. You just might learn something. Here's a nice bag of cuchifritos for you.
Am Yisrael Chai

Answer 9

Er, wrong, actually.

I could easily spend the next ten minutes explaining precisely why you are wrong, but you know what? There's no point - it's clear your mind is already made up.

If and when you are ready for a proper discussion, and you are prepared to admit that there are two sides to most conflicts, then I will be happy to answer any of your posts.

And you might like to consider that any website named 'jewwatch' is going to be giving you a skewed perspective...

Answer 10

Anyone here notice anything seriously wrong with this guys information( as in dates, characters, and numerical figures)? I do, and if I say its wrong, it is.
Plus hes got that KKK site.