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so why do Bible-fundamentalists insist the the Blessed Virgin Mary, who is now with God in Heaven, is just a dead person, dead even to God.

are they saying that God lied when He promised eternal life to those who follow and obey Him?

2007-09-19 07:53:29 · 19 answers · asked by Perceptive 5 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

so, since the Blessed Virgin Mary is alive to God, she can still pray to God for people, right? and she can still hear the people on earth asking her to pray for them, correct? so, how is asking her to pray for us considered as worshipping her?

2007-09-19 08:01:07 · update #1

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Mary was "ASSUMED" in to heaven body and soul.

It happened to Elijah and Enoch:

2 Kings 2:1-12
"And it came to pass, when the Lord would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind...And fifty men of the sons of the prophets went, and stood to view afar off: and they two stood by Jordan....And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven....And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more..."

Hebrews 11:5
"By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God."

And predicted of Mary in Psalm 132:7-8:

"We will go into his tabernacles: we will worship at his footstool. Arise, O LORD, into thy rest; thou, and the ark of thy strength."
If God would assume Elijah into Heaven, wouldn't Jesus do the same for His own mother? Wouldn't God do the same for the New Eve, the Ark of His Covenant, His most perfect creature, the woman who not only touched God, but carried Him in her own body, nursed Him, raised Him up from childhood, prompted His first miracle at Cana, stood at the foot of the Cross, etc.? The Catholic Church is the restoration of the Davidic Kingdom! Christ is the King, His Mother is the Queen, and we are their subjects.

And if Our Lady isn't in Heaven and crowned, how did John see her there as he wrote in the Book of Revelation? And, please, note the use of words here: Mary was assumed into Heaven 2 she was taken up under GOD'S power; she did not ascend into Heaven under her own power as our Lord did! As always, the beauty of Mary's story is due to the grace of God!
St. John saw a woman, in Heaven. This woman is the woman who gave birth to the "man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron." That child was Jesus. The woman who is the mother of Jesus is crowned -- with 12 stars, a symbol of the tribes of Israel and the 12 Apostles of Israel. The crown shows clearly that she is a Queen.


And look at Psalm 45, which prophecies Christ, the 9th verse saying that "upon [His] right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir." It continues, addressing this "Queen in gold" directly:

Psalm 45:10-17
Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline thine ear; forget also thine own people, and thy father's house; So shall the king greatly desire thy beauty: for he is thy Lord; and worship thou him. And the daughter of Tyre shall be there with a gift; even the rich among the people shall intreat thy favour. The king's daughter is all glorious within: her clothing is of wrought gold. She shall be brought unto the king in raiment of needlework: the virgins her companions that follow her shall be brought unto thee. With gladness and rejoicing shall they be brought: they shall enter into the king's palace. Instead of thy fathers shall be thy children, whom thou mayest make princes in all the earth. I will make thy name to be remembered in all generations: therefore shall the people praise thee for ever and ever.

Now recall Mary's words in Luke 2:48: "For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed."

The Psalms prophecied and the Old Testament Kingdom foreshadowed the New Testament Kingdom, ruled by Christ, Son of the Living God, and earthly successor of King David by virtue of his having been born from the womb of Mary, the Gevirah. In all Kingdoms of Israel, the Queen Mother sat at the King's right hand; our Queen Mother is in Heaven now, just as St. John saw her.

2007-09-19 13:01:40 · answer #1 · answered by tebone0315 7 · 1 1

My personal opinion is that it doesn't matter what we believe because what actually is.... will be whether we believe in it or not. I think as long as you are living a good life and being a good person, God, or whatever spirit is watching over us, will know that and reward accordingly. If this wasn't true, we would not have SOOO many different religions. I don't think God lied either, there are very few people who are intuned to His word.

2007-09-19 14:58:15 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

I've never heard of that....I'm sure Mary is is not dead to God....she was the mother of Jesus Christ. I don't understand how people could say something like that. there is eternal life in Heaven, and God doesn't lie. those people are sadly mistaken.

2007-09-19 15:00:06 · answer #3 · answered by tweetybird37406 6 · 2 0

Just so you know, Catholics are not considered fundamentalists. The virgin Mary is much more important in Catholiscm than in any other "religion". I, as somewhat of a fundamentalist dont really understand your question since we dont really make that claim.

2007-09-19 14:58:00 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

no idea if i'd fall under bible fundamentalist but i do agree that mary is dead, but do not agree that she is dead to god, that doesn't even make sense. if there's a god and a heaven, then the mother of his son will be there......!

2007-09-19 14:56:47 · answer #5 · answered by Hot Lips 4077 5 · 0 1

No. I think you might be a bit confused. Physically dead of course but spiritually alive with God. You see, man was made out of dust. When we die, that dust passes away but OUR SOUL does not.

Mary is phyiscally dead to God and to the world. But spiritually, she's alive, alive with God in heaven. When we get to heaven, we get our "new" spiritual body.

*Additional Information*

My friend, I believe you are mixing up Catholics and Christians. Most Catholics (not all, please do NOT misunderstand me), believe more in the virgin Mary then in Christ Jesus. In Christianity, it's the other way around. Mary was a sinner, even though she was the chosen one by God.

God commands us to worship Him, not to any other gods or human beings and alone idols. When Catholics (or anyone really) pray to Mary, what good is that going to do? Is Mary God? Of course not! God is God. He is One. He is omnipotent.

As for Mary praying to God, I don't see anywhere in the Bible where God says its wrong for the people in heaven NOT to pray. In fact, I believe in heaven there will be plenty of worship, fellowship, and prayer.

Also, at one point in the Bible, God states that there are angels and the "ones above" watching over us. It's a complicated matter, but rest assured that we are commanded to follow God. Not Mary. Not Allah. And even Hilary Clinton.

2007-09-19 14:56:11 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 5

We're alive with God now.

2007-09-19 14:57:16 · answer #7 · answered by monte54que 7 · 0 0

So far i learned that when you go to heaven you are living with god

2007-09-19 14:55:57 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

firstly, if u can prove to me where in the bible that it says that mary died and went to heaven.
another thing, enternal life means that after the end of days, ur sould will be connect to your body and everyone who has been faithful will live a long and happy life

2007-09-19 14:57:08 · answer #9 · answered by Xiana 3 · 0 2

Are you really surprised? I learned long ago that about 90% of Christian teachings contradict themselves in one way or another.

2007-09-19 14:56:25 · answer #10 · answered by Amanda 5 · 0 0

When you die and you go to Heaven, you got wings and fly around in the sky with magical power.


and if you are Asian you got super cool power that you do and go down to Earth and help other.

Buddhism..after you die, you go to Hell, they see how you did in live then reincarnated you into something else. If you did a good life you become as human again.

I don't know I m just tired from work.

2007-09-19 14:59:22 · answer #11 · answered by kennilope 3 · 0 4

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