For Non-Christians #2...?

Question

What would Christians need to do, in your opinion, to get you at least re-examine Christ. I genuinely rspect your stance, I hope you see that. Serious answers please. If you didn't see my first question, look at it first.

Thanks again for your responses. To Kclightman...what I am looking for is a "put everything on the table " exmanation of the facts. Breaking down the walls and talking in love on both sides. It breaks my heart that the message of Christ has been lost because of bullhorns. And yes, I would love to examine my side as well. Thanks what the Bible commands. Thanks again, you guys rock!!!

Answer 1

Present evidence for his existence (should be easy), evidence for actually doing what it's claimed he did, evidence validating the Bible, and evidence that god exists - or at least reason to suspect that a god might exist.

Evidence is considered to be contemporary eyewitness writers, records from other contemporary civilizations indicating an event like the star of Bethlehem or the 6 hours of darkness.

Evidence is not the "temptation seal" or a tower in Babylon that existed well into the 6th century BCE (this was given as evidence of the tower of babel).

The more compelling the evidence, the better.

Answer 2

Yes, I see that you are being respectful in the wording of your questions. That's why I bother to answer them. Thank you.

I think I would be willing to accept the concept that Jesus of Nazareth really did exist, perhaps even that his life story has some significant degree of truth to it. But in order to do that, I would need some natural explanation of the miracles he is claimed to have performed.

Did he, as some have claimed, live in India during the time the Bible does not cover, and become a yogi? Was he therefore able to survive being nailed to a cross, and when he was taken down, fake death? Some yogis can slow their heart beat and respiration enough that with no medical instrumentation to examine him, it would be comparatively easy for a Roman soldier who put his ear to Jesus' chest to miss the beating of a heart.

But then there is the question of how much of the story is true, and what were the gospel-writers' motives in adding all that stuff about his mother being a virgin and all that. Perhaps somewhere "up the line" time travel will be invented, and he was in fact a traveller from the future who knew how to do all sorts of things which were amazing to Jews of that long-ago time.

The fact is, the easiest answer to the questions that the Bible raises is the same, and Occam's Razor requires that I use it. The easy answer is that the Bible is largely a work of fiction. Or say mythology, if that's better.

Answer 3

I do re-examine christianity. I was raised in the Baptist and Methodist faiths. I have since studied various religions and I believe there isn't really a right or wrong answer. Look at all the major religions. if you look at the as sort of a tree, the highest power at the top and the way it filters down to us, a lot of them look rather similiar.

Answer 4

Look in the mirror. Look hard and ask yourself "What would any other religion need to do, in your opinion, to at least re-examine their beliefs." What about your own?

Your question is one posed by one side of the issue. The other side of the issue can ask the exact same thing. This is what Christians have a problem with, they think they are right. Christians are not, nor are Atheist. Neither of you have significant prove to even think that.

Answer 5

I have thoroughly examined Christ and other religions, there isn't anything a Christian could say or do to change my opinion. What could an Atheist do to get you to re-examine Christ?

Answer 6

As an Atheist I no more believe in the deity of Christ than I do of any other religious figure in history. Your god is no more real than Thor or Zeus, or Allah for that matter.

There is nothing Christians can do other than refraining from attempting to put their primitive superstitious belief into the education, governments and courts of the world.

You are not welcome. You are repressed and oppressive as are all religions.

Answer 7

Nothing. You see, most of us *were* Christians. Most of us know the bible inside and out (sometimes even more than actual 'believers'), but we got to a point in our life where we questioned what we were being taught.

It's not that we flat out never believed and don't want to. Most of us did believe at one time and drifted away when our questions weren't being answered with anything other than "it's in the bible, it's true."

Answer 8

I think for peaple to really understand the church, is to let out more secrets-as in the magic and reality. example: why is every church built to an exact angle on a compass map (for magical puprose, they have to be exactly north/etc and pref/usually running in line with an underground stream/river.

so in contrast- im talking about little things like that, the church doesnt talk about anything magical or spritual really. most vicars are out to brainwash you and many are not up to the job themselves anyway or know anything about spiritualism.

Answer 9

I've read Lee Strobel's "A Case for Christ."
I've read C.S. Lewis's "Mere Christianity."
I'm fewer than four courses shy of a Bachelor's in Biblical Studies.

How many times must I examine him? There is no rational conclusion but that he is a fraud. Either Judaism is true, and Jesus is a fraud for failing the prophecies of HaMosiach, OR, Judaism is false and Jesus is a fraud for claiming to fulfill prophecies that were false to begin with.

Answer 10

I went to a catholic school most of my life so I know plenty about the story of jesus.
But just because I can occasionally agree with some of what he teaches doesn't make me want to bow down and worship him anymore than any other mythological figure in history.