What did Jesus mean at John 10:30...?

Question

Does it prove the trinity?

Greg, why don't you just answer the question...if you can?

Ridiculous, have you been drinking? You say: "Jesus is God as a human would it make sense that God and Jesus don't agree?" Does that make sense to you?

phil d, stick to John 10:30. Does it prove a trinity?

Tuberoot, answer the question.

Jilan A, you make more sense than any trinitarian.

SandArt, that book you copied is so wrong.

In prayer to his Father, Jesus said at John 17:22: "I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one." Does this help?

4HIM, if Jesus is God, who is the Son of God?

Answer 1

My vote is on Loyal One. 100% agreement in EVERYTHING.

Answer 2

Jesus meant that He was in unity with his Father, Jehovah God regarding the sheeplike ones in protecting them and leading them to ever lasting life. Compare: Joh. 10:25-26, 37-38; 4:34; 5:30; 6:38-40 and 17:20-23. This proves the opposite... That there is no trinity :)

Answer 3

The entire church history of the Jehovah Witnesses, and their publications, are available for anyone to read in whatever language you may need to read them in. Look at their track record. Now ask yourself this question: What is the probability that they are wrong about this? You don't need to read or speak or write in Greek, Coptic, Hebrew, Latin or Aramaic to thoroughly evaluate the Jehovah Witness organization. I think the evidence will speak for itself. If the Jehovah Witnesses...or Mormons...have issues with the Holy Trinity you have to ask yourself "are these people reliable?"

Update: LineDancer, when your group has lied about so much other stuff, then what point is it even discussing anything? It all started going wrong for you guys years ago, and you can't even be 100 percent sure that the GB won't find some reason to change it's teaching on this subject either, can you?? Your group's stance on blood continues to change, doesn't it? What's next??

Answer 4

I and my Father are one. Just looked it up. Well, here's my interpretation as a nobody. I think Jesus was trying to make it clear he wasn't just a schizophrenic nut of the day who nobody would remember. He was really telling the world of then that He was a form of God sent here to earth. The trinity is another issue. To believe in the Holy Ghost means going beyond Jesus being a form of God and going that higher step to think that a Holy Spirit is here on earth to help us. I found it to be true after much doubt.

Answer 5

Give it up already. You're not looking for an answer. You're just debating as usual.

Just because they are "in agreement" with each other doesn't disprove the Trinity either. Since Jesus is God as a human would it make sense that God and Jesus don't agree? OF COURSE THEY'RE GONNA BE IN AGREEMENT.

RESPONSE: You must've read it wrong. I'M the one that asked the question: "...would it make sense..." No it wouldn't. Since God is Jesus it makes perfect since that they are "in agreement". It wouldn't make sense if they weren't. Duh.

Answer 6

John 10:30 -36.

The Father and I are one (What?).

Context, Context, Context:

One what? The Greek word ‘one’ literally means ‘one thing’ or ‘in unity’

vs 25 Jesus tells us about the works he and the Father are doing.

vs 29 Jesus tells us that “What the Father has GIVEN ME (works to do) is greater than all other things”

vs 30 the Father and Jesus are united, one.

vs 32 Which works are you stoning me for?

vs 33 – 35 Jesus tells us he is equal to the human gods of Ps 82:6.

vs 36 Jesus identifies himself not as his Father but as his Father’s Son (John 8:42-45),

Jesus is the Son, not part of the Son, Jesus is the Christ, not part of the Christ.

vs 37 believe the works.

The context to John 10:30 shows: I and my Father are one (united in works).

This agrees with John 17:11, 20 – 22;

Do you realize that to believe that Jesus or the Christ or the Son (Col 1:13-15) is more than an image of God is to be blinded by Satan?

If we believe that Jesus or the Son is more than an image we are an unbeliever.

2 Cor 4: 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.

Again I pray, that the God (Yahweh Elohim) of Christ Jesus (the Word / Son of Yahweh Elohim) gives you wisdom.

Eph 1:3, 17


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Answer 7

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

AND THE WORD BECAME FLESH and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit; AND THESE THREE ARE ONE. 1 John 5:7

For in Him(Jesus) dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Col. 2:9

Then God said, “Let US make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” Gen. 1:26

Answer 8

He meant that he and his Father had the same reasoning or weere in agreement, no it does not prove the trinity for further on in verse 36 Jesus says that he id God's son

Answer 9

Jesus meant that he and his heavenly father were one - united - in purpose. That this is so can be seen from the fact that Jesus was willing to divest himself of his divinity and be born on earth as a human in order to provide the ransom.

No it does not prove the Trinity. How could it possibly? Not only is Jesus' statement in reference to their unity and not to their identity, there is no reference whatsoever to three. The Trinity is comprised of three.

This scripture cannot be construed as evidence that Jesus is God. Neither can it be used to support the doctrine of a trinity.

Hannah J Paul

Answer 10

Others have given fine answers to this question. The whole of the New Testament answers conclusively that this is a unity of purpose, not of Person. So many times Jesus stated that he came specifically to do the will of his Father.

There are some 181,000 words in the New Testament. Not one of those mentions a Trinity.

If belief in the Trinity is essential for our salvation, why is it "missing in action" in the New Testament's 181,000 words?

Answer 11

Let's take a look at the surrounding scriptures:

25Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. 29My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. 30I and the Father are one."

He is talking to HIS DISCIPLES, and yet he plainly tells them that "you are not my sheep"...because his sheep listen to his voice. "My father, who has given them to me is greater than all... I and the Father are 1." Comparing the Father to others, the Father is greater than all the others, BUT, I and the Father are 1. This is a comparision of two relationships. One is a superior and inferior relationship (Father to others); the other is a equal relationship (Father to the Christ). Unlike the "others" the Father is not in greater than the Christ for they are 1 ie equal.

In this later verse:

33"We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God."

we see that those who heard what Jesus said, understood what his words meant ie "claim to be God"

continue to Chapter 12:

44Then Jesus cried out, "When a man believes in me, he does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. 45When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me. 46I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.

Notice 45 "when he looks at me, he sees the who who sent me." When you see 1 you see the other....they are 1.

Does this prove a trinity (1+1+1=3) no because it is only discussing the relationship between the Father and the Son. But seing that the Holy Spirit was sent like a dove upon the Son from the Father, the Holy Spirit is understood to be in the equation, unless of course you are denying the fact that Jesus was Spirit Anointed, which I am sure you would not unless of course the WBTS told you so. Then you would believe it hook line and sinker.