Does the Bible agree with those who teach that the Father and the Son are not separate & distinct individuals?

Question

Matt. 26:39, RS: “Going a little farther he [Jesus Christ] fell on his face and prayed, ‘My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.’” (If the Father and the Son were not distinct individuals, such a prayer would have been meaningless. Jesus would have been praying to himself, and his will would of necessity have been the Father’s will.)

John 8:17, 18, RS: “[Jesus answered the Jewish Pharisees:] In your law it is written that the testimony of two men is true; I bear witness to myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness to me.” (So, Jesus definitely spoke of himself as being an individual separate and distinct from the Father.) See also pages 197, 198, under “Jehovah.”



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Answer 1

Amen! Finally someone who agrees. Let me add some historical evidence to your Biblical proofs.\

The idea of the trinity was made in the Council of Nicea some 300 years after Christ died, and it's only purpose was to unite the Roman and Christian beliefs (i.e. they wanted a central government religion, yet wanted to make it work for Romans, Greeks, Christians, and Jews)---so they invented the trinity idea

Answer 2

The Doctrine of the Trinity: proved from Scripture

Matthew 3: 16, 17

Matthew 28:19

Romans 8: 9


1 Corinthians 12: 3-6

2 Corinthians 13: 14

Ephesians 4: 4-6

1 Peter 1: 2

Jude 1: 20, 21

Revelation 1: 4,5

Divine titles applied to the three persons in the Trinity

Exodus 20: 2

John 20: 28

Acts: 5: 3,4

Each person in described as:

Eternal

Romans 16: 26

Revelation 22: 13

Hebrews 9: 14

Holy

Revelation 4: 8

Revelation 15: 4

Acts 3: 14

1 John 2: 20

Omnipresent

Jeremiah 23: 24

Ephesians 1: 23

Psalms 139: 7

Omniscient

Acts 15: 18

John 21: 17

1 Corinthians 2: 10,11

Creator

Genesis 1: 1

Colossians 1: 16

Job 26: 13

Sanctifier

Jude 1: 1

Hebrews 2: 11

1 Peter 1: 2

Author of all spiritual operations

Hebrews 13: 21

Colossians 1: 29

1 Corinthians 12: 11

Source of eternal life

Romans 6: 23

John 10: 28

Galatians 6: 8

Teacher

Issaiah 54: 13

Luke 21: 15

John 14: 26

Issaiah 48: 17

Galatians 1: 12

1 John 2: 20

Raising Christ from the dead

1 Corinthians 6: 14

John 2: 19

1 Peter 3: 18

Inspiring the prophets, etc.

Hebrews 1: 1

2 Corinthians 13: 3

Mark 13: 11

Supplying ministers to the Church

Jeremiah 3: 15

Ephesians 4: 11

Acts 20: 28

Jeremiah 26: 5

Matthew 10: 5

Acts 13: 2

Salvation the work of

2 Thessalonians 2: 13, 14

Titus 3: 4-6

1 Peter 1: 2

Answer 3

Here we go - circular reasoning. He also said, "Before Abraham was, I am (the same as "I Am", as God called Himself to Moses)". He also said, "If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father", as well as, "The Father and I are one"

And, despite what New World Trans. may say, the Greek interpetation of John 1:1 is not "a god", but "the God". The alleged interpreters who made up that text knew nothing of Greek and probably never read any Greek texts.

The Prophecies concerning the Messiah, "Wonderful Counselor (also known for the Holy Spiritt),Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

Jesus also forgave sin - which only God can forgive sin.

In Genesis, God said, "Let us make man in Our own image" We were not created by angels, nor in their image, so He was speaking to Himself, as the Son and the Holy Ghost. This also is mentioned in John 1, "Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made."

"Why do you call me good? Only God is good" - he did not reject the man's statement, he actually made a point about Who He is.

Don't write off God's ability by reducing it to human terms. I cannot divide myself into 3 persons, nor can I do that and remain as one. But, God can and He is.

Answer 4

Each member of the Holy Trinity ... which constitutes the one, true God ... is a distinct and divine person ... sharing the same godly "essence" ... and each is eternally united with the other ... in a way which we do not fully understand.

Mathematics works well to explain things ... when words fail:

1 X 1 X 1 = 1.

Answer 5

No, it doesn't. But such is the philosophy of the Trinitarians and they are lost. There is only ONE GOD, He neither begat Himself nor is He begotten.

Answer 6

AMEN!!!!

Cannot stand when people take one verse and base their whole lives on it...."the father is in me and I am in the father"

Yes, you are correct sir.

Answer 7

Yes and he prayed to the Father on the cross,Jesus said do not say i am good there is but one that is good,it is God.