The Student Tasering Incident, Do Police Officers Want to Incite an Incident Where use-?

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roadhazzards, Oh, he was Inciting a Riot? Where did the Word "Riot" Come From?

Yeah Matt, too Bad he Wasn't Totally Submissive, and Acted Like a Human Being.

So roadhazzards, a Single person Acting Out is Riot.

roadhazzards, this is In your Mind, you Used the Word "Riot".

Thanks K and Third P, K, Apparently, roadhazzards doesn't Agree With you.

K, Maybe he Needs to Be Tasered, but this Would Be "Cruel unusual Punishment", Only to Be Inflicted On Others.

K, I was Wondering that too.

K, There Are Discrepancies In the Words.

K, don't Hold your Breath.

Answer 1

I just watched the video "nothingusefullearned" provided. Thanx man :-). I was almost moved to tears watching this...

Here's my take:

It seems, to me, that this student was guilty of only being passionate about a topic. He was in no way given an opportunity to step down from the mike. In fact, Kerry said "that's alright, let me answer his question". Should Kerry have said "No, I don't wish to answer this question, please remove yourself from the podium NOW" or if he had been given any indication that he was behaving inappropriately, in a way KERRY or security felt uncomfortable about, the student may have simply stepped down. But, we'll never know IF he would have. The security guards jumped the gun, made some unfounded assumptions, which led to excessive force, and an ensuing natural human reaction.

I think the guy acted like a shocked human being would. Comparable to getting into a passionate discussion, the person on the opposing side, listening and expressing an inclination to answer a lengthy, posed question, and then an onlooking police officer carting you away, cuffing and THEN tasering you. How would anyone react in this situation? Wouldn't you at the very least be surprised and feel as though you were being treated unjustly and EXPRESS this...somehow?

EVEN after security started grabbing at him, Kerry said nothing. The student asked what he had done, and no one answered him. INSTEAD, he was thrown on the floor, cuffed, and THEN when he was already on the floor, helpless, security tasers him. You could hear him screaming in pain. Awful.

I feel that the force used here was NOT justified. And, the incident itself, was INSTIGATED by the security guards. Security created an INCIDENT and then justified force after THEY had incited it.

EDIT: Just doing a little reading on the use of the taser....

In one study (Prehospital Care, 2006), of 75 people who died after being shot with a taser or stun gun, the taser was considered a potentially contributory cause of death in 27 per cent of cases!!!! Knowing this then, (and I would only HOPE that these security guards know), this whole situation sounds even more ridiculous. This student's VERBAL reaction to security certainly does not justify using force that could have KILLED him. I wonder if security opted to club him over the head, whether he'd have less chance of dying...Ridiculous.

EDIT 2: No Roadhazzards doesn't agree. That's ok. Free speech and all that good stuff. Besides, I don't have any power here (to abuse) so it's not like I can just taser him ;-).
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Just joking around :-)

EDIT 3: Yeah, LOL. Tasering a nice idea if we exclude the self as ever being a possible recipient of cruel and unusual punishment ;-).

Just found a different video of the incident:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/09/17/police-taser-florida-stud_n_64789.html

More audio in this one. You can clearly hear the 21 year old, in shock, repeatedly asking what he had done and if "he could just walk out of here". In another news story about it, the man was cited as a practical joker. Yeah, real scary guy posing a threat for asking a question, perhaps that just *someone* didn't like. Not sure who didn't like it beyond the security guards though since Kerry wanted to answer...

EDIT 4: Did you catch the update?

UPDATE: Two University of Florida police officers have been placed on leave with pay after using an electronic stun gun to subdue a student who was questioning Sen. John Kerry at a campus forum, the school's president said Tuesday.

The Florida Division of Law Enforcement will investigate Monday's arrest of student Andrew Meyer, said J. Bernard Machen. Machen called the incident "regretful for us."

[This may be important:]

The thing that I regret is that civil dialogue and civil discourse did not happen," Machen said. "That's fundamental to a university campus. Why it didn't happen is what we're trying to sort out.

The link: http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/09/18/student.tasered/index.html

Interesting that some of the quotations reported in this text update don't correspond with what I heard on the video.

EDIT 5: Wild huh? Details of what actually happened seems to have gotten lost in "the telephone chain". From what actually happened to the texual translation. AND, yeah, there are also discrepancies in the article itself.

Anyhow, glad the whole thing is being investigated. Hope that means something.

EDIT 6: LOL! :-)

Answer 2

Why would the Police be blamed for enciting a riot when it's clear to anyone who watched the entire video that the student was clearly in the wrong. Had a "riot" ensued I'd have held the child(student) legally responsible.

Fine you used the words incite an incident and I use the words encite a riot which last time I checked would be an incident in an of it self. And the point is still clearly that this moronic child failed to do as he was told by both the Moderator and the Police. The used of less than lethal force (i.e. pian compliance techniques) was totally justified, all the youngster had to do was comply with the lawful orders and he would not have been tased.

Ahh now I got you, you simply want to play word games like it depends on what the definition of is is. Regardless, the youngster is still at fault not the cops.

Answer 3

He stated they acted stupidly. he did no longer call them stupid so do no longer quote that. no remember what every physique says, or desires to have self belief, the officer did use racial profiling. that doesn't propose he's a Klansmen or in spite of, yet he did act foolishly by utilising treating the sufferer of a faux police tip like a suspect.

Answer 4

While I was not there, the article appearing at:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/18/wkerry118.xml
indicates no wrong doing on the part of the student.
Those cops should be arrested and charged with assault with a deadly weapon.
further proof that the U.S. is an aristocracy.

Answer 5

what do you expect from the state run by the brother who appointed g.dubya as king impersonating the president.after all the questions asked by the overzealous student were answered by the overzealous uniformed,badge wearing thugs commonly referred to as "the police","security","law enforcement".

Answer 6

He shouldn't have resisted arrest. End of story.