ATHEISTS: If God existed, would you be an atheist?

Question

... and therefore, does the existence of atheists prove that God doesn't exist? (Am I profound or being silly?)

except!!! If God really existed, atheists wouldn't "choose not to be believe it". They are too smart and logical for that.

Answer 1

no if god existed it would be obvious like gravity or dogs

Answer 2

The formulas you talk about are descriptive of inherent properties of the matter and energy involved. No equations are needed for bacteria to be created. The molecules in the bacteria do what they do because that is all they can do. Consider a snowflake. Under the right conditions a snowflake will crystallize with nearly perfect hexagonal symmetry. It's not because angels were carving each snowflake and using protractors to divide them into precise 6 degree sections and make sure the corners were 240 degrees each. They have that shape because under certain conditions of air pressure, temperature and humidity that's only way water molecules will stick together. If you take a rock and break it in half the two halves each half of the rock will have a specific number of atoms in it. Adding the total number of atoms of both halves (plus the number of atoms that might have been part of the dust created in the breakage) you get precisely the number of atoms in the original rock. Does the rock need to know how to subtract 13 or 14 digit numbers to know how to break? Stars form because that's what gravity makes hydrogen atoms do. If everything was different (say some alteration in the constant of gravitational attraction) then everything would happen differently but the thing is something will always happen. So why is the Bible rejected? 1) Even if there was some divine math wizard the Bible doesn't add up. For example if you made a man from clay the amount of silicates and aluminum compounds found in any clay would prove toxic to human life, thus you would need a molding substance with a far lower ratio of these compounds to even start making a human. OTOH stone age man was using clay to make pots and sculptures for centuries when early Semitic (ie pre-biblical) religion was forming. Stone age logic suggests that if men need clay to sculpt figurines then gods must work the same way. This suggests that the story of man's origin was written by people with a good grasp of pottery but zero grasp of biochemistry. 2) We do not live in The Matrix. In The Matrix computer code (a form of chained mathematical equations and logical modifiers) creates a reality. In real reality formulas are used to describe what we observe. What we observe is a very chaotic and heterogeneous universe so we need a lot of formulas to describe it. Anyone can create formulas that are MORE complex than those that are found in the universe but they will describe nothing of any relevance. You can try it yourself. Just start with X then send it through random mathematical functions, divide it by pi a few dozen times, multiply it by an irrational number, use a bunch of cosines then at the end put "=Y". You can run any number through this torturous equation, it'll be more complex than any formula in the universe (if it's not just add more functions in the middle) and it will be completely irrelevant to any matter, energy or phenomenon in the entire universe.

Answer 3

There are open minded atheists and close minded ones. The ones who give you the longest answers are usually wrong in their certitude and trying to evade the question. Your question is not silly at all because this God question is a hot topic either way. I think that there is no doubt that atheists exist. Whether God exist or not does not ultimately depend on whom ever believed he does or doesn't. But what is the significance to the atheist if God is as real as the atheist ?
Would this bring about recognition? I do not think that there is a clear answer.

Peace

Answer 4

That would depend on whether I saw the proof. If I didn't see the proof, I would still have no reason to believe. Why would I believe in something I've never seen or experienced?

I would also need proof of a Flying Spaghetti Monster to believe a Flying Spaghetti Monster exists. The FSM could very well exist, but I need my own proof, not someone else's.

Any entity that exists, yet chooses to remain anonymous is not at all compelling.

Answer 5

A god may exist although I'm going to stay an atheist until I see some proof of such a god.

The argument from non-belief does actually work pretty well against some types of God (i.e. the ones that want everyone to believe) but not every god possible cares about us.

Answer 6

This is where my head spins around and I blow up right?

If there was proof, undeniable proof god(s) exist I would have to resign being an atheist. Thats assuming god(s) is/are the only way and all other methods of finding out the other cause of this evidence have been exhausted.

Edit: To other atheists. I think we have to allow for the possibility of a god. Although personally I don't feel there is a god, ruling out its existence completely is as nuts as those religious groups that are 100% sure that god exists.

No one sane can be 100% sure about anything.

Answer 7

Why use a negative definition? Atheism means not believing in God, does not tell what one does believe in. In theology, I am a Pantheist, meaning I believe the Universe is God. In methodology, I am a Rationalist and a Freethinker, meaning I believe scientific and historical investigation are the best ways to establish truth (not scripture or revelation). In ethics, I am a Humanist, meaning people and how I treat them are what is important (not worship or prayer or faith). Affirm what you believe, not what you don't believe.

Answer 8

No, assuming that "God" proved to be the Jewish tribal deity Yahweh, I'd then be an Maltheist (one who believes a God exists, but that said God is evil and unworthy of worship).

Answer 9

I think even if God did exist it would really depend on the state of the world and society for me to truly believe.

Answer 10

There are some problems, as you've noted, with the concept of atheist. No one can logically completely disbelieve in God so everyone is agnostic which then tells us nothing.

I like the term rejectionist. Rejectionists reject the idea of their Creator even while not knowing for sure whether He exists or not. They reject the authority that God has over them and that rejection would apply even if they knew for sure that God exists.

Answer 11

If god existed (and was proven to exist) then I would not be an atheist