Muslims: What do u think of this proof that shows Muhammed wasnt prophesied in the bible?

Question

Deut 18:18 (NIV)
I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.

Deut 17:14-15 (NIV)(CAPS ADDED)
When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you and have taken possession of it and settled in it, and you say, "Let us set a king over us like all the nations around us,"be sure to appoint over you the king the Lord your God chooses. He must be from among your own brothers. Do not place a foreigner over you, one who is not a BROTHER ISRAELITE.

Hebrew for brother or brethren in both passages is- 'ach

Why is every prophet who came before Muhammed an Israelite? Its weird that God would call an Arab to be a prophet after all the other prophets before him were Israelites.
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John 5:46 (NIV)
If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.

another proof that Jesus is that prophet
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Revelations directly from God

Moses- Exodus 33:11 "The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend. Then Moses would return to the camp, but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent."

Jesus- John 12:49-50 "For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it.

Muhammed indirectly from the Angel Gabriel
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Called out of Egypt

Moses- Hebrews 11:27 "By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king's anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible."

Jesus- Matthew 2:15 "where he stayed until the death of Herod. And so was fulfilled what the Lord had said through the prophet: "Out of Egypt I called my son."

Prophecy about Jesus foretold in Hosea 11:1 "When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son.

Muhammed was not
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Mediators of a covenant

Moses- Exodus 19,20
Jesus- Hebrews 12:24
Muhammed was not

Answer 1

Don't forget this one:

Jhn 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

Answer 2

I myself am a Christian, but I also believe that The Bible was written by man. As was the Quron.

It is called faith. we belive what we are taught. an din turn what we are taught is what we believe.

The muslim religion is VERY similar to the Christian religion up until Jesus. they believe that he was a prophet of God and they believe in the SAME God as the Christian religion.

I do believe that Jesus was the son of God and the saviour of our sins and also our only way to eternal salvation, but there are somethings we could learn from the Muslims as well, Like devotion, prayer, and not being afraid to hide our beliefs behind church walls.

If the Christian faith and the Muslim faith could combine as one, I beleive that we would all have a better understanding of our maker and our purpose here on earth.

Answer 3

Muhammad is pronounced by using his ideal call interior the Gospel of Barnabas that's a gnostic gospel written 3 hundred years after Yeshua. yet not one of the different gnostic gospels point out Muhammad. The Gospel of Thomas is even older and does not point out Muhammad. this is the earliest written gospel commonplace to guy yet it nevertheless does not point out Muhammad as quickly as. Its a commonplace fact that the gospel of Barnabas replaced into written by using somebody else and not the saint himself. the recent testomony does point out the comforter. in case you think that Muhammad is the comforter than you have your answer. "examine extra, learn extra, exchange the globe" Nas

Answer 4

Intro, let me give you the BEST quote in the bible to show that muhammad was a FRAUD.

LUKE 16:16 - THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS WERE UNTIL JOHN (THE BAPTIST).


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Answer 5

Please read the following pages regarding this issue.

http://islam.thetruecall.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=49

http://www.islam101.com/religions/christianity/mBible.htm

http://www.answering-christianity.com/umar_hassan/that_prophet.htm

The Gospel of Barnabas:

http://barnabas.net/barnabasP97.html


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Area of Comparison
Birth
Family Life
Death
Career
Forced Emigration (in adulthood)
Encounter with enemies
Results of encounter
Writing dawn of Revelation
Nature of Teachings
Acceptance of leadership
(by his people)

Moses
Usual
Married, Children
Usual
Prophet/Statesman
To Median
Hot pursuit
Moral physical victory
In his life time (Torah)
Spiritual/ Legal
Rejected

Muhammad
Usual
Married, Children
Usual
Prophet/Statesman
To Medinah
Hot pursuit/Battles
Moral physical victory
In his life time (Al-Qur'an)
Spiritual/ Legal
Rejected then accepted

Jesus
Unusual
No Marriage, or children
Unusual
Prophet
None
No Similar Encounter
Moral victory
After him
Mainly Spiritual
Rejected (by most Israelites)

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“And the Lord said unto me, they have well spoken that which they have spoken, I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.“ (Deuteronomy 18:17-18)

Who are the ''brethren'' of the Israelis ??

The answer is given in the bible itself in Gen. 16:12 & Gen. 25:18:

11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
Ishmael

12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Gen 25:17 And these [are] the years of the life of Ishmael, an hundred and thirty and seven years: and he gave up the ghost and died; and was gathered unto his people.

Gen 25:18 And they dwelt from Havilah unto Shur, that [is] before Egypt, as thou goest toward Assyria: [and] he died in the presence of all his brethren.

This verse clearly says that the Ismaelites are brothers of the Israelis. Prophet Mohammed was an a descendant of Prophet Isiah. Now EVEN more proof:

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10And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face,

So basically since then no prophet has arisen in Isreal like Prophet Moses, and we know that prophet Jesus rose IN Israel, so he cannot be a ''Prophet Like Unto Moses''. Correct?

Answer 6

Can any of the arguments above be called proofs? If you are in the state of denial, no body can help.

Do you know what proofs?

Answer 7

Thank you for giving "food for thought".

Funny how a post can give you a direction to search....

Always searching...."ALWAYS CHRISTIAN" Always... I'll walk with him always....... Wow, your post even made me remember a song from my youth .... Cool Huh?

Answer 8

Is Quran not enough for you? why do you try to drage Muhamad from Bible.

Answer 9

Jesus Christ was only prophet to the Jews as he declared by his words. He never claimed even one time that he is sent to some other than Israel.

Bible has hundred of prophesies about Jesus and what he said is surely true but this does not mean that all bible is prophesying about Jesus. There is prophesy about Egypt, Babylonia Iraq. There were hundreds of prophesied about Mohammad SAW in original text of different book contained in bible. Most of it was removed by later selections but still there are hundred of prophesies about Mohammad pbuh. Bible Barnaby has detailed prophesies with name. but I will write some from accepted King James Version of bible. Space is less but I write some only for example :
4.4) Second Prophesy – An Ignorant Nations Will Become Guide:

They have provoked Me to jealousy by what is not God;
They have moved Me to anger by their foolish idols.
But I will provoke them to jealousy by those who are not a nation;
I will move them to anger by a foolish nation.
(Bible: Deuteronomy, 32: 21)

Here 'foolish nation' means Arab before the advent of Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him). They were totally ignorant from any type of knowledge. They were worshipping idols. And Jews believed them a very bad and humiliated nation as they were sons of Abraham (peace be upon him) from a bond-maid named Hagar. Quran Sura Al-Jamu'a:
2 "It is He Who has raised among the unlettered people a Rasool of their own, who recites to them His revelations, purifies them, and teaches them the Book and Wisdom, though prior to this they were in gross error,
3 he is also sent for others of them who have not yet joined them (become Muslims). He is the Mighty, the Wise.
4 That is the grace of Allah, which He bestows on whom pleases. Allah is the Lord of mighty grace.
5 The example of those who were charged with the Taurat, but failed to carry out their obligations, is that of a donkey who is carrying books and does not know what is in those books. Bad is the example of those who deny the revelations of Allah. Allah does not guide the wrongdoers.

Here the ignorant nation does not mean Greek people. Who are inventors of many new branches of knowledge. And three hundred years before the birth of Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) we see Socrates, Pythagoras, Plato, Aristotle, Archimedes, Euclid, Gallon and many others great scholars. And even if we think about the religious knowledge they were having translations of all Old Testament books 386 years before the birth of Jesus Christ (peace be upon him).

4.5) Third Prophesy – The Message of God Will Come At Mount Paran:

And he said:
"The Lord came from Sinai,
And dawned on them from Seir;
He shone forth from Mount Paran,
And He came with ten thousands of saints
From His right hand
Came a fiery law for them. (Bible: Deuteronomy, 33: 2)

Here it is very clear that 'Lord came from Siani means that He gave Torat to Moses (peace be upon him). 'And dawned on them from Seir means gave Injeel to Jesus Christ (peace be upon him). Seir is a mountain in Syria and nowadays it is called Jabal AlKhalil where Jesus (peace be upon him) was often praying and there is still a town name seir (or Shaeer).
4.6) Fourth Prophesy – Blessing On Isma'el and His Twelve Sons:

"And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall beget twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation. (Bible: Genesis, 17: 20)

Here twelve princes are twelve sons of Ishmael (peace be upon him). But the great nation is directly pointing to the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) because there is no one among the generation of Ishmael (peace be upon him) who has a great nation. Quran has also mentioned the prayer of both Abraham (peace be upon him) and Ishmael (peace be upon him) about this great nation.

4.7) Fifth Prophesy – Leadership to be Taken From Jews:

The scepter shall not depart from Judah,
Nor a lawgiver from between his feet,
Until Shiloh comes;
And to him shall be the obedience of the people. (Bible: Genesis, 49: 10)

Jews believe that this prophesy is about their expected Jesus who is to come. Their kingdom was taken from them during the time of Nebuchadnezzar (Bakht Nassar). And more than two thousand years have passed and we do not see the expected Jesus for Jews.

Secondly about Jesus Christ (peace be upon him), the scepter of government was taken from Jews six hundred year before his birth. Nebuchadnezzar exiled the sons of Yehuda to Babel. And sixty three years they remained like this. Later Antioch deposed the Onia (the Jew Scholar) from his post and sold him to his brother Yasoon by 360 coins. Then he also removed Yasoon and sold him to his brother Menelaus by 660 coins. When it was rumored that Menelaus had died Yasoon entered with army of thousands and he killed all the people about whom he doubted as his enemies. Menelaus was alive, and on hearing this news Antioch again invaded the inhabitant of Jerusalem and killed forty thousand and enslaved the same number. He looted the worshipping places. And to degrade their worshipping place he butchered a pig there. Then he returned to Antakia, and made Philips their governor who was very mean in nature. In his fourth trip to Egypt he sent twenty thousand soldiers to destroy Jerusalem. And ordered to kill all men and enslave women and children. This army attacked on Saturday (Sabbath Day). And while Jews were gathered for prayer they attacked. Looted the city and killed all men except a few who run away and took refuge in the mountains. And he built a fort from the debris of destroyed buildings, for watch and ordered that if any person will enter in synagogue, he must be killed. Then Antioch sends Athanios to teach them Greek mythology. When he reached Jerusalem, some disbeliever among Jews also joined him and they stopped regular butchering. He stopped all methods of Jew worship. He burned all available copies of Old Testament and fixed idol of Jupiter at the place of sacrifice. And Matthias Pharisee with his four sons flew from there and took refuge with his family members and got some force from them and took revenge for Jews.

This is a gist of Jews history of kingdom. How this can be true for Jesus Christ (peace be upon him). And if someone says that this means remaining of identification as a nation then it was supposed to finish the identification of Jews as a nation but it was present at that time and remained after him. And we see it remained until the times of Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him). They were free people and in Khyber area they were having strong forts. And after advent of Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him), their national identity was totally finished. And they became subservient for all the nations as we discussed in chapter-2 of this book.
4.9) Seventh Prophesy – Praiseworthy and Fighting Prophet:

Praise to God for His Salvation and Judgement

Praise to LORD!
Sing to the Lord a new song,
And His praise in the assembly of saints.
2 Let Israel rejoice in their Maker;
Let the children of Zion be joyful in their king.
3 Let them praise His name with the dance;
Let them sing praises to Him with the timbrel and harp.
4 For the LORD takes pleasure in His people;
He will beautify the humble with salvation.
5 Let the saints be joyful in glory;
Let them sing aloud on their beds.
6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth,
And a two-edged sword in their hands,
7 To execute vengeance on the nations,
And punishments on the peoples;
8 To bind their kings with chains,
And their nobles with fetters of iron;
9 To execute on them the written judgment –
This honour have all his saints.
Praise the LORD! (Bible: Psalms, 149: 1-9)

Here praise to the king is clearly name "Mohammad peace be upon him" as discussed earlier. And there were only follower of Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) who are praising the God more than all nations. And the only pious people who fought with sword and got honour of chaining lawless kings and nobles of other nations and punishing them.

4.10) Eighth Prophesy – Happiness for Arrival of the Blessed One and Destroyer of Idols:

9 Behold, the former things have come to pass, and new things I declare; before they spring forth I tell you of them
10 Sing to the LORD a new song, And His praise from the ends of the earth, you who go down to the sea, and all that is in it, you coastland and you inhabitants of them!
11 Let the wilderness and its cities lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar inhabits. Let the inhabitants of Sela sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.
12 Let them give glory to the LORD, and declare His praise in the coastlands.
13 The LORD shall go forth like a mighty man; He shall stir up His zeal like a man of war. He shall cry out, yes, shout aloud; He shall prevail against His enemies.
14 "I have held My peace a long time, I have been still and restrained Myself. Now I will cry like a woman in labor, I will pant and gasp at once.
15 I will lay waste the mountains and hills, and dry up all their vegetation; I will make the rivers coastlands, and I will dry up the pools.
16 I will bring the blind by a way they did not know; I will lead them in paths they have not known. I will make darkness light before them, and crooked places straight. These things I will do for them, and not forsake them.
17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, who trust in carved images, who say to the molded images, 'You are our gods'.
(Bible: Isaiah, 42: 9-17)

Here Sela mean, 'Rock' in Hebrew language and it is name of a mountain in Madinnah. And sentence "Let the inhabitants of Sela sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains" is very true to real history. When Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon upon) entered first time as a refugee from Makkah to Madinnah the girls were singing the song "Full moon have arisen over us from the the valleys of Thaniat AlWada'a" and strangely Thaniat AlWada'a is in Sela mountain range. And before Sela it is written "Let the wilderness and its cities lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar inhabits" and we know Kedar was son of Ishmael (Peace be upon him) and all his sons were inhabitant of wilderness of Arab. So it is clear that this Sela in Madinah.

And it is mentioned about His fighting (Jehad) with idol worshippers. And he really fought with idol worshipper and extinguished this evil from Arab for ever. And the word 'shout from top of the mountains' is giving clear indication about Hajj season when people calls aloud from peaks 'Oh God we are present'. And idol worshippers were ashamed on occasion of the conquest of Makkah but the Last Apostle of Allah proclaimed a general amnesty and forgave all enemies who did not fight.

From above tell Jesus was a king, chained kings, destroyed idols etc never. It is clear for Mohammad pbuh.

Send me email I will send you hundreds with details and with name from other religions. Show me one prophesy with name from bible or other religion for Jesus. Though we love Jesus more than you.